tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post8277799673570766916..comments2024-01-17T16:15:59.682-05:00Comments on Another gay Jew: Thou Shalt Not...Ely Winklerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-106994716517668122011-05-02T19:31:31.035-04:002011-05-02T19:31:31.035-04:00Jonathan, your example is way way off. Divorcing o...Jonathan, your example is way way off. Divorcing one's husband to marry his brother would cause untold mental anguish to the divorced brother. It would rip the family apart. Furthermore, the mere possibility of such a union if r were legal could make all their family togetherness awkward for all involved if attraction is there, even if nothing comes of it. That's the kind of prohibition that make perfect sense. On the other hand, two single men who marry do not cause anyone any harm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-71966412372163452632011-04-21T18:30:38.938-04:002011-04-21T18:30:38.938-04:00May I say to Jewish Atheist that you shouldn't...May I say to Jewish Atheist that you shouldn't focus on that verse only. There are other sexual related prohibitions, like not having sex with your mother in law, sister in law, political sister, aunt, and a lot more. If you fall in love with your sister in law, you can't marry her; but, why not? If you're a nice person and she's also a nice person, what's wrong with her divorcing your brother in order to marry you? Would you call this also that it is not a law from a benevolent God? In the same line gay relationships have an "it's-not-so-OK" element to them, that only God knows why He prohibited them.Jonathan Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06564921960459600554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-24107674921527462652011-04-20T10:30:45.289-04:002011-04-20T10:30:45.289-04:00The concept. The idea that, even in theory, men w...The concept. The idea that, even in theory, men who have sex with men deserve to be executed is not an idea that can be reasonably attributed to a benevolent God. It just doesn't make sense, unless gay sex is really, really evil and I have a hard time believing that many modern people really believe that.Jewish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-47046734716980603112011-04-18T12:12:30.753-04:002011-04-18T12:12:30.753-04:00Jewish Atheist, what do you mean exactly? the text...Jewish Atheist, what do you mean exactly? the textual formulation or the concept? which part of the verse cannot have been written by god? tnxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-92027511240354442572011-04-17T13:59:53.906-04:002011-04-17T13:59:53.906-04:00I was waiting for this post, and how you would rec...I was waiting for this post, and how you would reconcile it with a previous post where you said you don't see an issue with living with a partner and keep a home of Torah and the like.Simcha Schoenbrunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04629148796964507037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-25416539412686618452011-04-17T00:46:52.807-04:002011-04-17T00:46:52.807-04:00Anon 11:01-
You ask why I feel I can't change...Anon 11:01- <br />You ask why I feel I can't change my homosexuality by not acting on it- changing isn't about acting or not acting, its about the desire. So no, I cannot change my desire from wanting men to wanting women. And yes, I have been with women, and no, it is not something I would commit my life to doing.Ely Winklerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-84856882726723977922011-04-16T23:01:08.409-04:002011-04-16T23:01:08.409-04:00Why do you feel like you can't change ur homo...Why do you feel like you can't change ur homosexuality? You can still have thoughts and feelings about a man and not engage in those types of actions.Of course that may make u a less happy person but I'm just making a point. BTW have u ever tried being with a woman? (some1 may have asked that already somewhere I'm sure, but if u dont mind restating) thanks :) but well written postAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-66274514730531205142011-04-16T22:21:22.349-04:002011-04-16T22:21:22.349-04:00Why do you continue to try and be part of a denomi...Why do you continue to try and be part of a denomination that means nothing and doesn't want you. You're friends will still be your friends why tourture yourself? Why not just got to a congregation that is open and undertanding of the real world we live in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-54576917014734802312011-04-16T22:15:24.746-04:002011-04-16T22:15:24.746-04:00I just don't understand how you can believe th...I just don't understand how you can believe the all-powerful, benevolent creator of the universe wrote that verse. It doesn't make any sense.Jewish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-71600290737322321232011-04-16T22:07:23.598-04:002011-04-16T22:07:23.598-04:00מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה requires a vagina. I'm not...מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה requires a vagina. I'm not even sure how a man can do מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה with a man if he wanted to. Maybe it's a prohibition of sleeping with an m-to-f transsexual.Literalistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-77205882640365910512011-04-16T21:48:08.026-04:002011-04-16T21:48:08.026-04:00Thanks, anon. I do stand by what I always say that...Thanks, anon. I do stand by what I always say that being gay does not imply any one sexual act, and the Torah verse does mean only prohibit a sexual act, not homosexuality as a whole.Ely Winklerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-59860692318064476562011-04-16T21:39:47.274-04:002011-04-16T21:39:47.274-04:00Your post shows the strength you have in your beli...Your post shows the strength you have in your beliefs and I commend you for that. <br /><br />At the same time, it sounds like you are equating the sexual homosexual act to being homosexual itself. The Torah never prohibits an individual from feeling homosexual feelings. It is only prohibiting the act that may come along with that. You don't have to feel like you are hiding from anything if you yourself are not committing the acts.<br /><br />If you want to stand by your other posts as well when you have made the point that others should not assume what goes on in the bedroom of a homosexual partnership are definitely acts directly against the Torah, then technically, you should not feel threatened by what is said in this past Parsha. Because when you and others make that point, you are basically claiming that Jewish homosexuals are not doing anything wrong in partnership...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-67452272875479295322011-04-16T21:36:01.643-04:002011-04-16T21:36:01.643-04:00Nicely said, Ely.Nicely said, Ely.Emilynoreply@blogger.com