<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551</id><updated>2012-02-01T12:28:44.425-05:00</updated><category term='stereotypes'/><category term='pressure'/><category term='pride'/><category term='relationship'/><category term='jewish'/><category term='repentance'/><category term='community'/><category term='change'/><category term='event'/><category term='marriage'/><category term='Gay'/><category term='sex'/><category term='psychology'/><category term='porn'/><category term='lgbt'/><category term='emotions'/><category term='society'/><category term='study'/><category term='family'/><category term='tolerance'/><category term='video'/><category term='sexuality'/><category term='israel'/><category term='happiness'/><category term='dating'/><category term='maturity'/><category term='friends'/><category term='future'/><category term='TV'/><category term='children'/><category term='secrets'/><category term='personal'/><category term='YU'/><category term='God'/><category term='politics'/><category term='orthodox'/><category term='coming out'/><category term='struggle'/><category term='holiday'/><category term='torah'/><category term='student office'/><category term='school'/><category term='depression'/><category term='links'/><category term='decisions'/><category term='bullying'/><category term='Frum'/><category term='movie'/><category term='meta'/><category term='FOMO'/><category term='suicide'/><category term='gender'/><category term='Halacha'/><category term='article'/><category term='teens'/><category term='love'/><category term='closet'/><category term='rabbi'/><category term='shul'/><category term='sadness'/><title type='text'>A gay Orthodox Jew.</title><subtitle type='html'>Note: I am a religious Jew, and I am also gay. I'm trying to do the best I can with two seemingly conflicting identities within one person. These are some of my thoughts.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default?start-index=101&amp;max-results=100'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>114</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-7870407443360510919</id><published>2012-01-24T14:54:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2012-01-24T15:11:31.804-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='happiness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='society'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sexuality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='torah'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Halacha'/><title type='text'>Challenge Everything</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;This post is dedicated to &lt;a href="http://abcnews.go.com/US/gay-teen-filmmaker-eric-james-borges-commits-suicide/story?id=15355142" target="_blank"&gt;Eric James Borges&lt;/a&gt;, 19, and &lt;a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/phillip-parker-gay-tennessee-teen-suicide_n_1223688.html" target="_blank"&gt;Phillip Parker&lt;/a&gt;, 14, the two most recent victims of bullying and anti-gay sentiment.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;Being gay makes a person question everything. A lot of people assume that whenone comes out of the closet, they automatically go “off the Derech”, or losetheir religiosity/ most of the Jewish practices they had previously kept. While I may not have left the community, anyone who knows me, or anyonewho has read the Blog for the past two and a half years, knows that I havechanged, and yes, have become what many would call “less” religious. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;Why is there this perceived trend? Not because it’s nottrue- it really is true that most people will leave their Orthodox communities andchange many of their beliefs and practices once they come out of the closet. I used tothink this was because they felt rejected from orthodoxy. And while this does have something todo with it, I want to posit something a bit deeper. Being gay, acknowledgingthat there is a part of you, created by God or developed as you grew up, that inherentlydesires you to act against religion makes you question why and how this ispossible. One is forced to acknowledge the possibility that the Torah, at the very least, has been misinterpretedover the past few thousand years, or maybe even be wrong, and that makes you change yourthoughts, beliefs and behaviors. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;How can a person be gay and religious? How can God createsomeone gay, or develop a gay identity within a person and then tell them thatthey cannot act on it? This question rocks so much of the foundation of everythingthe Orthodox community raised me to believe. For that reason many of my gayfriends and I will all question things about religion that we hadn’t beforeacknowledging our sexuality. &amp;nbsp;I questionhow accurate the Rabbis were in their interpretations and what biases werebrought into the Talmud and codified law. Many others in today’s world think andquestion the same way, but for myself, and maybe for other gay people as well, it’sthe underpinning of being gay that drives these questions. These questions that make a person rethink every law, not just the law and interpretation of homosexuality. For anyone that's ever experienced the dissonance with the Torah- that a part of their being and who they are is delegitimized by the Torah, they understand what I'm talking about.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;And if they haven't experienced such a challenge, they cannot possibly understand what those who have go through. As I havewritten about many times before- it is not any one person's place to judge another person'sthoughts or behaviors about religion, especially when they are not in thatperson’s exact shoes.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-7870407443360510919?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/7870407443360510919/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2012/01/challenge-everything.html#comment-form' title='25 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/7870407443360510919'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/7870407443360510919'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2012/01/challenge-everything.html' title='Challenge Everything'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>25</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-6719411286698063060</id><published>2012-01-16T14:11:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2012-01-16T14:20:31.216-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='coming out'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='society'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sexuality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><title type='text'>Allies</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;In LGBT culture, there's been the notion of "allies" for a long time. An ally is most commonly associated with someone who is a friend of gay people and a supporter of gay rights, or people who go out of their way to ensure equality of gay people is achieved and makes it a part of their ideology, despite being heterosexual themselves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want to mention first, the concept of a "true ally". A true ally is someone who, despite being heterosexual themselves, make no distinction between gay and straight. In their heads, it doesn't mean anything that one person is gay and one person is straight. People are people, and sexual expression and orientation are different for each person. A true ally doesn't ask homocentric questions in order to "understand" or be more competent about their gay friends, but simply knows that everyone leads their own lives and nothing is therefore&amp;nbsp;inherently&amp;nbsp;homocentric or heterocentric. True allies are rare and surprising in Orthodox Judaism, as most Orthodox Jews are so stunned to find a gay person in their midst, it suddenly leads to questions and probing, as if the gay person is an alien for studying. It's always better to ask a question instead of avoiding it, but the true ally doesn't even have questions in the first place.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Along these lines, there's the opposite type of "ally" (and I use that term loosely). &amp;nbsp;From the straight female to gay male perspective, it's the friend who thinks that being gay is the coolest thing in the world- especially because it means now they have a gay best friend. The friend who suddenly takes you shopping and gossips about boys and asks you what they should wear, simply because you're gay. And not that the true ally can't do these things, but with this friend there's the underpinning of "I'm only friends with you because you're gay". When someone comes out, it doesn't suddenly mean that they are now a stereotype, or that they can now go to musicals and shop with you. It just means that they are expressing a same-sex attraction, and everything else about them is likely not to change.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I acknowledge that stereotypes and cliches exist for a reason, but I also acknowledge that very rarely do all stereotypes fit one person. I understand that after coming out, many gay people begin expressing stereotypical behaviors that were suppressed before, but that doesn't make them exclusively gay to the exclusion of their before-coming-out characteristics, traits, likes and dislikes. A true ally understands that meeting someone who is gay is not meeting a homosexual, but meeting a person. And this is something that every "ally" should try to understand.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-6719411286698063060?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/6719411286698063060/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2012/01/allies.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6719411286698063060'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6719411286698063060'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2012/01/allies.html' title='Allies'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-6302718222562445495</id><published>2012-01-01T15:23:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2012-01-01T17:45:06.843-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='closet'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='dating'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='secrets'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sexuality'/><title type='text'>That Girl</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;I guess I needed a bit of a break. My last post, while definitely not necessarily my most thought out or best choice of words, was important for me to write. So I appreciate all the feedback, even the negative. I wanted to share something that's been on my mind- being &lt;i&gt;that girl&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the past, I've written about different individual's choices to stay in the closet, and my dismay with those who stay in the closet and date women, even though they know that they're gay. It's one thing to hide it as a personal choice, but it's another to bring other people into this decision and struggle. I was talking to a friend who asked me about the orientation a boy she was set up with. I told her I was uncomfortable answering or disclosing any information I may or may not know, and she responded, "Please, Ely, no one wants to be that girl."&amp;nbsp;That's what inspires this post.&amp;nbsp;While many friends have had numerous girls come to them with a situation as this, it's rarely happened to me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's always unfortunate when men/women hide who they are from their significant others, but I never thought that once they come out, what their partner's perspective would be. Apparently, no one wants to be &lt;i&gt;that girl&lt;/i&gt;. No one wants to fall in love and be told "I love you, but I'll never love you as much as you love me". &amp;nbsp;I always felt less upset when a homosexual person posed as a heterosexual one, as long as their significant other knew. But now I realize, that even if they know, that doesn't mean it's okay. No one wants to be the person in a relationship who gets the burden of being with a homosexual partner.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A fellow gay blogger came out to his wife recently (read about it &lt;a href="http://frumgaymarried.blogspot.com/2011/12/i-came-out-to-my-wife-new-chapter.html" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;here&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;), and I strongly admire his courage and decision. And I am happy that they are figuring out how to make it work best for both of them. However, I have to feel a certain amount of pain for his wife. No one wants to be that girl.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;PS- I apologize for the gender specificity of this post. I obviously realize that no one wants to be that guy either, who has a girlfriend or wife come out to them.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-6302718222562445495?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/6302718222562445495/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2012/01/that-girl.html#comment-form' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6302718222562445495'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6302718222562445495'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2012/01/that-girl.html' title='That Girl'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-446102948439831907</id><published>2011-12-17T22:37:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2011-12-18T11:48:57.311-05:00</updated><title type='text'>There's something wrong</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;There's something wrong when 85 men are undergoing a sexual abuse scandal in Brooklyn's Orthodox community, but "24 have walked free. They got probation, pleaded to minor charges, or saw their cases dismissed — often because victims or their parents backed out under community pressure.&amp;nbsp;Agudath Israel of America, a prominent body of Torah sages, requires anyone alleging sex abuse by a fellow observant Jew to first report to its rabbis, who decide whether the case should go to secular authorities."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/orthodox_sex_abuse_scandal_Vzaqd3TbKtikUv0h6b3clI#ixzz1gqlFRbID"&gt;http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/orthodox_sex_abuse_scandal_Vzaqd3TbKtikUv0h6b3clI#ixzz1gqlFRbID&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But yet, men trying to understand their sexuality in college suddenly can't control themselves and a pornography filter needs to be instituted for these university students. I wonder how many of the 85 above had filters growing up? Probably all. (editors note: I realize this is a harsh generalization and overall inappropriate statement, but my point is how can you expect people to know what to do with their sexuality or appropriate outlets when you censor them from anything remotely erotic?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.yucommentator.org/2011/12/rabbi-yona-reiss-unveils-plan-for-internet-censorship-dormitory-pornography-to-be-blocked/"&gt;http://www.yucommentator.org/2011/12/rabbi-yona-reiss-unveils-plan-for-internet-censorship-dormitory-pornography-to-be-blocked/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's something wrong when one minor literary piece about heterosexual sex in a private university publication gets national media attention.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://yubeacon.com/2011/12/the__written_word/how-do-i-even-begin-to-explain-this/"&gt;http://yubeacon.com/2011/12/the__written_word/how-do-i-even-begin-to-explain-this/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's something wrong when all this is going on, and a Rabbi trying to perform a civil union in Orthodox tradition sparks THREE different groups of Rabbi's to feel the need to sign "letters", "statements", and "petitions".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rabbis.org/news/article.cfm?id=105665"&gt;http://www.rabbis.org/news/article.cfm?id=105665&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.algemeiner.com/2011/12/05/100-orthodox-rabbis-issue-same-sex-marriage-declaration/"&gt;http://www.algemeiner.com/2011/12/05/100-orthodox-rabbis-issue-same-sex-marriage-declaration/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jayson-littman/orthodox-rabbis-homosexuality-declaration_b_1114090.html"&gt;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jayson-littman/orthodox-rabbis-homosexuality-declaration_b_1114090.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's something wrong.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-446102948439831907?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/446102948439831907/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/12/theres-something-wrong.html#comment-form' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/446102948439831907'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/446102948439831907'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/12/theres-something-wrong.html' title='There&apos;s something wrong'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-4274817828234050702</id><published>2011-12-07T11:55:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2011-12-08T15:26:35.821-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rabbi'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='depression'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='psychology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sexuality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='change'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='article'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='links'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>News &amp; Community Updates</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;Orthodox&amp;nbsp;Ordained&amp;nbsp;Rabbi, who is gay, performs Orthodoxceremony for two men:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="http://972mag.com/orthodox-rabbi-marries-gay-couple-in-washington-dc/27424/"&gt;http://972mag.com/orthodox-rabbi-marries-gay-couple-in-washington-dc/27424/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;Rabbi’s respond this past week:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.algemeiner.com/2011/12/05/100-orthodox-rabbis-issue-same-sex-marriage-declaration/"&gt;http://www.algemeiner.com/2011/12/05/100-orthodox-rabbis-issue-same-sex-marriage-declaration/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;-As my readers know, I do not believe that Orthodoxy canhave a gay marriage. There are no Halachic guidelines for it set by the Rabbiswho codified Jewish law so many years ago. That being said, I respect R’Greenberg and his right to perform a gay marriage in Orthodox tradition. I amfrustrated that these 100 Rabbis felt the need to sign a document saying thatthe marriage was not Orthodox. Anyone within the community has the right tochoose for themselves how they feel about the union and ceremony. A signedarticle won’t change the mind of those that perceive this wedding as Orthodox.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;-----------------------&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;Rabbi’s attempt to denounce homosexuality in the Orthodoxcommunity, saying the only option is for Teshuva and change. No mental healthsources were cited, only biblical.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jayson-littman/orthodox-rabbis-homosexuality-declaration_b_1114090.html"&gt;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jayson-littman/orthodox-rabbis-homosexuality-declaration_b_1114090.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;Orthodox mental health conference, JQ Youth represented,JONAH declines invitation: &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/12/05/3090579/lgbt-youth-make-their-mark-at-conference-for-orthodox-mental-health-professionals"&gt;http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/12/05/3090579/lgbt-youth-make-their-mark-at-conference-for-orthodox-mental-health-professionals&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;JONAH director Arthur Goldberg acknowledges therapy conducted (without&amp;nbsp;license) asking patients to take their clothes off.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/new_york/orthodox_mental_health_workers_seen_changing_homosexuality_1"&gt;http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/new_york/orthodox_mental_health_workers_seen_changing_homosexuality_1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;JQY in the Jpost&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishFeatures/Article.aspx?id=248651"&gt;http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishFeatures/Article.aspx?id=248651&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;- I am proud that JQ Youth, an organization I am veryinvolved with (link has been in the sidebar for about a year), hadrepresentatives of being Orthodox and gay at this conference. Although fortechnical reasons it wasn’t the organization that was represented, it’simportant that the community was represented.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;- I have written many times about reparative therapy. I respect and admire individuals who choose to go through this process of changing their sexuality. I also respect some of thetherapy and the process, which can have some positive effects. However, I do notrespect “naked” therapy. I do not respect working on such an important issue with a “life coach”(non-licensed therapist). I think this can be very damaging. And while I acknowledge that sexuality is fluid and the possibility of a shift from those with a tendency of homosexuality to a tendency ofheterosexuality, I know that for most individuals (like myself) who have strong homosexual feelings, the shift is not possible, and can cause severe mental health problemsas numerous studies have reported.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 2009, the American PsychologicalAssociation (APA) urged therapists not to support reparative therapy, or, morespecifically, not claim that when a person comes to them that their sexualitycan and will be changed. I found this quote particularly important- “Thereligious psychotherapists have to open up their eyes to the potential positiveaspects of being gay or lesbian. Secular therapists have to recognize that somepeople will choose their faith over their sexuality.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;(&lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/06gay.html"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/06gay.html&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-4274817828234050702?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/4274817828234050702/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/12/news-events-december-2011.html#comment-form' title='15 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4274817828234050702'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4274817828234050702'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/12/news-events-december-2011.html' title='News &amp; Community Updates'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>15</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-802844654715146806</id><published>2011-12-04T18:45:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2011-12-04T19:03:51.094-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='emotions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='personal'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='happiness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='society'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='struggle'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='relationship'/><title type='text'>Hide and Seek</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;It's that time again- where Ely posts rants and angry blog posts that stir up a lot of people and cause trouble, because I'm actually speaking from my heart. Well it's been a while since I've done that, so here goes again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rant One- Being fake. I can't stand being fake, but I am. And all my friends are, and I feel like most of my community is, and there are only a few people who I trust to not be that way. Most of us lie, we hide things, we're not honest about our true selves because we're scared of what other people will think of us. Everyone tiptoes around each other and pretends to be happy just to avoid the judgment of their so called "friends". &amp;nbsp;Well let me tell you something, if they judge you, they're not your real friends. If they look down on you for one behavior or another, they're not your real friends. And I find this in every corner of my community. People pretending to be something they're not just to please others. I thought when I came out of the closet that my biggest secret was out there, and I would never have to hide anymore. But that's not true. I hide things on a daily basis, and it sucks.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rant Two- Assumptions. I've said it once, and I'll say it again. Everyone loves making assumptions about each other. This boy and this girl have been seen together twice and therefore they must be a couple. This gay guy is really good friends with this straight person, and therefore, the straight person must actually be gay. Well, it's not always that simple. So however much society likes to group people or box things into neat little packages in order to better understand them, they're usually and most often WRONG. They hurt people by making accusations, they spread rumors and gossip and it only makes people suffer.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I guess these two connect. In an ideal world- Everyone would stop being fake. If people are finally able to show their true selves, and speak out about who they are, maybe some of the judgments will stop. &amp;nbsp;If we no longer lie, and hide, to accept others for who they are, then others will stop having to label and assume things which are wrong. &amp;nbsp;But this world is not ideal, and the Orthodox Jewish community is certainly not. So I suggest, try and be yourselves, try and find a community and friends where you feel the absolute most comfortable to be yourself. And stop trying to label others, stop assuming what's going on in someone else's life and realize that if people want you to know something, hopefully they'll tell you. But if they don't, it is NOT your place to judge.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-802844654715146806?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/802844654715146806/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/12/hide-and-seek.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/802844654715146806'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/802844654715146806'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/12/hide-and-seek.html' title='Hide and Seek'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-2087901768612547713</id><published>2011-11-29T22:08:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2011-11-29T23:17:52.284-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='coming out'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='closet'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='depression'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='personal'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><title type='text'>The Center of the Universe (Pt. II)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;So the second part of this post has a unique perspective. I have no shame admitting a problem that I have, and a problem that I've heard people associate with gay people in general- and that is- being self centered. Thinking mostly about the self, talking mostly about the self, and some may argue, caring only about ones self. This is something that I have been working on, with the help of my friends, as I contend with the world around me. But why? Why is it my persona to be self-centered? Why do gay people have a reputation of being selfish and self-serving?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I argue not to justify my own behavior but only to understand it and perhaps enlighten other to a unique situation. Everyone has struggles in life - internal and external. Everyone has things they grapple with, and very often they figure it out on their own. &amp;nbsp;But these are difficult choices or complex decisions. The struggle a gay person goes through on the inside isn't one to just "get over" or make a decision and have everything be okay. Being gay, and for some people spending years in the closet, can be extremely taxing and difficult. It requires tremendous amount of strength and courage to deal with on the inside, and even more to go through the process of coming out, if that's what one chooses. &amp;nbsp;And with all this strength, comes self-reliance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Self-reliance is understanding that when the world won't accept you, you must accept yourself. That when it feels like no one else will support you, you must support yourself. And that self-reliance can be misconstrued. When finally coming out, all a gay person knows, or at least all I knew, was myself. I was the only one I trusted, the only one that was important and the only that needed to be important. Why? Because I was the only one who could support myself. And that is why some may call me self-centered and that is why I may be a bit egotistical.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The most difficult struggle for me at this current time, is perhaps realizing that there are others to be trusted, there are others to let in, and that there are others who will support me in my greatest times of need. &amp;nbsp;And perhaps understanding that will help me become a bit less "self-centered".&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-2087901768612547713?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/2087901768612547713/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/11/center-of-universe-pt-ii.html#comment-form' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2087901768612547713'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2087901768612547713'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/11/center-of-universe-pt-ii.html' title='The Center of the Universe (Pt. II)'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-4630989634811311327</id><published>2011-11-23T15:09:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2011-11-23T15:11:04.224-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='lgbt'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><title type='text'>The Center of the Universe (pt. I)</title><content type='html'>&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;o:officedocumentsettings&gt;   &lt;o:allowpng/&gt;  &lt;/o:OfficeDocumentSettings&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;w:worddocument&gt;   &lt;w:zoom&gt;0&lt;/w:Zoom&gt;   &lt;w:trackmoves&gt;false&lt;/w:TrackMoves&gt;   &lt;w:trackformatting/&gt;   &lt;w:punctuationkerning/&gt;   &lt;w:drawinggridhorizontalspacing&gt;18 pt&lt;/w:DrawingGridHorizontalSpacing&gt;   &lt;w:drawinggridverticalspacing&gt;18 pt&lt;/w:DrawingGridVerticalSpacing&gt;   &lt;w:displayhorizontaldrawinggridevery&gt;0&lt;/w:DisplayHorizontalDrawingGridEvery&gt;   &lt;w:displayverticaldrawinggridevery&gt;0&lt;/w:DisplayVerticalDrawingGridEvery&gt;   &lt;w:validateagainstschemas/&gt;   &lt;w:saveifxmlinvalid&gt;false&lt;/w:SaveIfXMLInvalid&gt;   &lt;w:ignoremixedcontent&gt;false&lt;/w:IgnoreMixedContent&gt;   &lt;w:alwaysshowplaceholdertext&gt;false&lt;/w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText&gt;   &lt;w:compatibility&gt;    &lt;w:breakwrappedtables/&gt;    &lt;w:dontgrowautofit/&gt;    &lt;w:dontautofitconstrainedtables/&gt;    &lt;w:dontvertalignintxbx/&gt;   &lt;/w:Compatibility&gt;  &lt;/w:WordDocument&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;w:latentstyles deflockedstate="false" latentstylecount="276"&gt;  &lt;/w:LatentStyles&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;  &lt;!--[if gte mso 10]&gt; &lt;style&gt;  /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable  {mso-style-name:"Table Normal";  mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0;  mso-tstyle-colband-size:0;  mso-style-noshow:yes;  mso-style-parent:"";  mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;  mso-para-margin:0in;  mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt;  mso-pagination:widow-orphan;  font-size:12.0pt;  font-family:"Times New Roman";  mso-ascii-font-family:Cambria;  mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;  mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";  mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast;  mso-hansi-font-family:Cambria;  mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} &lt;/style&gt; &lt;![endif]--&gt;    &lt;!--StartFragment--&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;I’ve heard people- straight and gay- say that the problem with gay people is that they’re self centered. They think they’re the center of the universe and that everything revolves around them, and everyone must change who they are to accept gay people. And every political debate, and every parade, must be about gay people.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but here’s my perspective on a communal level. The gay community does not see itself as anything special. The gay community is just full of pride. To better understand, many gay people have felt rejection their whole lives. They’ve felt unaccepted and pushed away from friends, family and loved ones. So given the opportunity to build and be part of a community that accepts who you are, will develop a sense of pride and strength, to finally feel “normal” and “accepted” like everyone else.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;So that’s step one. Pride, and parades, are about being part of a community with love and respect for each other, as opposed to the hurt and pain so many have suffered. Secondly is the political level. Are people self centered when they sue for discrimination against company who doesn’t let women or African Americas make over a certain figure, and only allows white people or men into the upper-echelons of the organization? No, of course not. In 2011, everyone is equal. And gay people are as well, but the government has yet to recognize it. Gay people fight for discrimination policies in the work place, and the right to legally partner with someone they love.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;So why are these rights, afforded to every human being, women ~100 years ago and African Americans ~50 years ago, make the gay community self-centered when we try to achieve them?&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Come back next week for a more personal narrative on being “self-centered”.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;!--EndFragment--&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-4630989634811311327?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/4630989634811311327/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/11/center-of-universe-pt-i.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4630989634811311327'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4630989634811311327'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/11/center-of-universe-pt-i.html' title='The Center of the Universe (pt. I)'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-3398583580461209711</id><published>2011-11-08T23:00:00.004-05:00</published><updated>2011-11-10T00:53:44.059-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='happiness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='decisions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='society'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pressure'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='love'/><title type='text'>It's Yours, Pt. II (or, No Day But Today)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;Roughly 16 months ago I posted "&lt;a href="http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/06/its-yours.html" target="_blank"&gt;It's Yours&lt;/a&gt;" to encourage my friends to understand their sexuality and understand where they are in their sexual lives, in order to ease the tension of painful marriages and uncomfortable situations of homosexuals dating heterosexuals and not even knowing themselves that they're not actually attracted to the other.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To expand on that, over the past few years I've been watching how many struggles so many people go through because they feel the need to act a certain way when that's not really who they are or how they feel. This post isn't just about sexuality. It's about your life. Your life is yours to own, yours to control, and yours to make decisions with. Too many people suffer because they insist on doing things other people expect of them, instead of doing what they need to do for themselves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So many just succumb to their "roles"- be it in their families, with their peers, based on their religion or their gender expectations- but not because it's the role they are meant to fill. People expect that if someone follows societal norms or does whatever is expected of them, everything will magically work out.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;They do not take the time to think what would be best for them- and how to integrate who they are with their everyday lives.&amp;nbsp;They will find happiness, love, or whatever they desire- because that's what "everyone else" has. But no one really has any of those things unless they take the time to understand who they are themselves, what they want for themselves, and how to go about getting those things.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the next time you rethink a decision because it's not what is expected of you, ask yourself what you truly want. Don't expect that being perfect in the eyes of others will make you perfect in your own eyes. Find out what career path is best for you, what hobbies you are most interested in, and, yes, find out what gender you're attracted to. Because your life is yours to understand, yours to control, and yours to own. And no one can tell you otherwise.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-3398583580461209711?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/3398583580461209711/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/11/its-yours-pt-ii.html#comment-form' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/3398583580461209711'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/3398583580461209711'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/11/its-yours-pt-ii.html' title='It&apos;s Yours, Pt. II (or, No Day But Today)'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-4751196643352919584</id><published>2011-11-01T23:20:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2011-11-01T23:33:36.972-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Frum'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='decisions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='society'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pressure'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='article'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='love'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='future'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='relationship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>Frum Gay Marriage</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;I readily acknowledge, as most people do, that their communities and cultures impact decisions they make in their lives. For some people, it's at what age to get married, for some people it's what standards of dress to adhere to. These are things we look to society to help us decide how to behave or appropriate&amp;nbsp;etiquette. As I take steps in my life, and as I take steps in my relationship, I often find myself wondering what is the Frum and gay society? What are the standards and "norms" that can help inform the decisions I make in my own life? And I know the answer, there are none. Since being Frum and gay is very unique, there is no societal norm or cultural standards to help decisions I need to make.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For one example, there is the issue of marriage. In most Frum communities, marriage is expected of a couple anywhere from the ages of 21-24. After that is fine, but generally many people put the most pressure on themselves during that stage in their lives because society dictated it. In the gay world, the emphasis on marriage is later in one's life, usually a person's early thirties. So which standards should I be adhering to? Religious people get married out of love, and in order for it to be socially acceptable for them to be sharing a life and a home as part of the religious community they must get married. But a religious gay person has no standards for how and when or even if the community will accept them as a couple.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An blogger this week, found here (&lt;a href="http://finkorswim.com/2011/10/31/loveless-marriages-can-be-valuable/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PacificJewishCenterRabbi+%28Pacific+Jewish+Center+%7C+Rabbi%29" target="_blank"&gt;Loveless Marriages&lt;/a&gt;), argues that secular marriages revolve around love and intimacy while Jewish marriages revolve more around community and family, and for this reason, it may not be such a bad idea for same-sex attracted men and women to marry each other as part of continuing our communities and traditions. In addition, the author hypothesizes that this is why secular marriages breakup, while more religious marriages stay together- because of community. I strongly disagree with this, and felt my opinion complements what I have written above.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To build the foundation of a marriage simply on community and platonic love, is not enough to sustain it, in my opinion. &amp;nbsp;What it takes is community and intimate love, together. Frum and gay people need to start building standards and setting norms to support each other.&amp;nbsp;It is extremely confusing for a gay man or gay woman in the orthodox community, and while pressures to adhere to norms are strong, I think (yes, my own opinion) that everyone needs love and intimacy to sustain a marriage- even religious people- and for that reason, opposite-sex homosexuals marrying one another is not a solution, but only perpetuates the problem of orthodox Jews unwilling to address the issues of gay people in the community.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-4751196643352919584?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/4751196643352919584/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/11/frum-gay-marriage.html#comment-form' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4751196643352919584'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4751196643352919584'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/11/frum-gay-marriage.html' title='Frum Gay Marriage'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-1232624207286281649</id><published>2011-10-26T22:38:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-26T22:38:30.320-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tolerance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='shul'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='society'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Halacha'/><title type='text'>Community</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;Recently, a new "wave" of Orthodox Judaism has come to light in my life, something that I know a lot of people are going to take issue with, but is still worth mentioning. I just would like to remind everyone to try and open their minds, as I have always done, and remember- live and let live- no one person, group or community has the right to judge another.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Halachic Orthodoxy is how I grew up. &amp;nbsp;Communities where everyone in it were assumed to be Orthodox by practice, keeping the law to Orthodox standards, and while some may be more strict than others, everyone belongs to one synagogue and is more or less on the same practicing religious level. Recently, however, I've noticed some things in a number of communities throughout the country, that has led me to come up with another category of Orthodoxy- communal Orthodoxy. In communal Orthodoxy, many grew up practicing Halachic Orthodoxy and some haven't, but everyone- whatever level of practicing they uphold- belong in this community. &amp;nbsp;It is an Orthodox community, but everyone has the right to uphold whatever standards of Orthodoxy they may or may not practice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know, "if people do this, it's not an Orthodox community". Or, "that's traditional, that's not Orthodox", or, "you can't pick and choose in Orthodox Judaism". And you may be right according to your own personal definitions of Orthodoxy, or your community's definition of Orthodoxy, but there are many people in an increasingly diverse world, that disagree. And there are many community's that are more and more willing to accept people in their doors, even if it's never expected of them to uphold Orthodox practices. &amp;nbsp;There's such a thing as Orthodox values, without upholding every letter of the law, or just wanting to be part of an Orthodox community without necessarily upholding every practice or Halacha that generic Orthodox communities have subscribed to or come to expect from their members.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And I'll tell you why I prefer these "communal" Orthodox communities, and it's not just because they should obviously be more accepting of LGBTQ members. It's because in general, most members of Orthodox communities are not upholding every letter of the law- but instead they go to synagogue and interact with so many others on the most superficial of levels, just pretending that they're all the same level of practicing Orthodox Jews. Instead, in some newer communities, I find that no one assumes anything about their friends, no one has the right to judge, and everyone is open to everyone else. Regardless of what specific laws they may or may not keep. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-1232624207286281649?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/1232624207286281649/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/10/community.html#comment-form' title='13 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/1232624207286281649'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/1232624207286281649'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/10/community.html' title='Community'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>13</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-5530672806025990834</id><published>2011-10-18T18:36:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-18T18:36:31.469-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sadness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='emotions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='happiness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='society'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pride'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='love'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>The Struggle, pt. III</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;I've grown. I'll admit it and I'm proud of it. I've grown so much over the past few years, and as this post marks my second year of the blog, I'll admit that things have changed; that I've changed, that the community has changed, that life got a lot better. And I am extremely thankful for the love and support of those around me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But it's not over. The struggle isn't over because I've found a&amp;nbsp;semblance&amp;nbsp;of peace and happiness. Because sometimes, I still feel off. Sometimes, I still feel out of place.&amp;nbsp;I feel alone. Not because I am alone, but because I live in a community that sometimes makes me feel alone.&amp;nbsp;It's not that I want acceptance- I have that.&amp;nbsp;It's not that I want a relationship- I have one. But when it comes down to it, the Orthodox Jewish community is a heterocentric hub with 2000 years of tradition. Almost always, men will marry women in Orthodox communities. Shabbat tables will discuss the latest boy-girl couples and engagements and weddings. And I can't change that. But I also can't change who I am. Am I selfish for expecting everyone to help me feel comfortable? Perhaps. But no matter how much my straight friends love me, I will always feel different. No matter how much of a place I have in my community, I will never feel like I fully belong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are times when I get hugs from my friends and wonder- will they hug their children if one day their kids come out of the closet? There's so much more growth and work to be done because in reality, while my community has accepted me, have they accepted homosexuality? The answer is obviously no. And the answer probably will be no for a long time, and that's a really hard fact for me to face. That's another aspect of feeling alone, that I am alone in being accepted, that there are so few Orthodox gay Jews out there who are happy and comfortable in their communities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was warned about this years ago, when gay friends told me I would never be able to stay in the community I love so much. I was warned that I would feel out of place or rejected. Thank God I didn't. And I don't. I know my friends love me and my community loves me. But that doesn't help me feel like everyone else, because I will never be like everyone else. There are neighborhoods and communities out there where majority of the population is gay, or it's 50/50, and that's when someone doesn't feel alone. But when someone goes against their society's created standard for "normal" (ie- being Frum and gay), they will feel alone. &amp;nbsp;And that's part of the dissonance, discomfort and disparity of being gay in a Frum community.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-5530672806025990834?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/5530672806025990834/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/10/struggle-pt-iii.html#comment-form' title='13 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5530672806025990834'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5530672806025990834'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/10/struggle-pt-iii.html' title='The Struggle, pt. III'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>13</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-7058357299183252310</id><published>2011-10-11T22:38:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-11T22:52:32.370-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='coming out'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='closet'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pressure'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sexuality'/><title type='text'>Coming Out Day</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;Today is National Coming Out Day. A day where activists and LGBT organizations all across the country urge those who are suffering or struggling, fearful of insecurity and rejection, to come out. I wish everyone a happy coming out day- for those who feel it applies to them. I have always said that I never advocate someone coming out unless they feel it's the best thing for them to do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With that in mind, I now want to mention that many people don't come out- not because of fear of rejection or fear of the unknown, but because of the stigma associated with it. So many people assume that "coming out" means they suddenly need to act a certain way, behave a certain way, dress a certain way and march in their local Pride Parade. This does not have to be the truth. Coming out doesn't mean any of that. Coming out simply means acknowledging who you are, and understanding that part of you or all of you is same-sex attracted. That's all it means. Where you go from there is your choice. Whether you act differently, dress differently, is all a personal choice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many people become "different" when they come out because they are finally letting out a side of them that had been suppressed for so long, which is why they act so "gay". &amp;nbsp;But just because you come out does not mean you have to do that. Someone who comes out can be the same person they were before, and nothing has to be any different unless you want it to be. Many people will admit to being homosexual but are so scared of being "gay". &amp;nbsp;There doesn't have to be this difference. The more we stigmatize and develop a rift between these two categories, the worse off the LGBT community will be by dividing itself and limiting its numbers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Being gay, or being homosexual, should be one in the same. Many people I know simply come come out as queer- a label many straight people subscribe to as well, just to avoid socially constructed labels of being "straight" or "gay". So happy coming out day- whoever you are- straight, gay, or homosexual. And remember- a label doesn't have to change who you are.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-7058357299183252310?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/7058357299183252310/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/10/coming-out-day.html#comment-form' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/7058357299183252310'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/7058357299183252310'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/10/coming-out-day.html' title='Coming Out Day'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-8206160625146383276</id><published>2011-10-04T22:03:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2011-10-04T23:53:02.178-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='holiday'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Halacha'/><title type='text'>High Holidays</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;My New Year's Resolution- to blog more consistently. I've been pretty good about posting four times a month, but I really want to try and get consistent with one blog post each week.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, on to the fun stuff. This holiday season causes a lot of trouble for a lot of people. A lot of people don't know how to face God on these days because of all the sins they've committed and because they haven't spoken with the Almighty in a while, and because aince we were little, at least my friends and I, were taught to be in fear of these days. Dread the long prayers, be fearful that God will slam his book shut and seal us in the Book of... notlife (is it the book of death? I don't think that was ever explained to me). This year, more than ever, I take the perspective of - what kind of religion is this? That taught us to fear our lives on it's holiest day? That taught us to pray and cry that all be forgiven for we are terrible people? No one is perfect, no Jew, no person, no one is perfect and no one is perfectly evil. So why do we sit there in shame and fear?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On Rosh Hashana- the day is simply about God. Acknowledging the divine presence in our lives, if we choose to do so, and remind ourselves and the Lord that we believe in the divine presence in our lives, whether or not we speak to God every day or whether or not we follow every law that Judaism&amp;nbsp;prescribes&amp;nbsp;for us. &amp;nbsp;On Yom Kippur, I have learned to acknowledge my wrongs, my shortcomings and the like. But I have also come to believe that God knows all these things I've done, God knows the inner workings of my heart, what I believe and what I do not believe, what I feel badly about and what I don't think was so terrible. And in Yom Kippur prayers I look for areas of my life that I'm not so proud of, things that need improvement, and places I can do better. And saying these things&amp;nbsp;out loud, or silently to God, helps my introspective and growing process.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So on Rosh Hashanah I renew my connection to HaShem- I believe in the Almighty's existence and that I respect and understand God's presence in my life and in the world. and on Yom Kippur I look at my own actions and behaviors. Where I find fault, I admit them and think about how to improve them. Where I find good, I am thankful that there are areas of my life that don't need improving. And when I think about being gay and religious, I simply say "I'm doing the best I can".&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-8206160625146383276?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/8206160625146383276/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/10/high-holidays.html#comment-form' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/8206160625146383276'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/8206160625146383276'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/10/high-holidays.html' title='High Holidays'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-2207434675094663528</id><published>2011-09-21T22:36:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2011-09-21T23:04:17.447-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='teens'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='depression'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='struggle'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sexuality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bullying'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='suicide'/><title type='text'>HausofJamey</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;A few days ago I got a text message from a dear friend with a story. A tragedy, actually. The story, as I had heard it, was nothing new- but I hadn't heard something like it since last October. Since I last visited the issue of teen suicide and bullying&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/10/blog-versary.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. A rampant wave of teen suicides had taken the nation, and they were all LGBT youth who felt there was no room for them in a heterocentric world. Who felt that the pressure to be straight, the bullying, and being made fun of by all who surrounded them was just to much to handle, so they took their own lives. I thank SA, EC and EA for getting me through that day.&lt;br /&gt;Dan Savage and his partner Terry Miller began a project called "&lt;a href="http://www.itgetsbetter.org/"&gt;It Gets Better&lt;/a&gt;". &amp;nbsp;Hundreds and thousands of videos were submitted to youtube, from the &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzcAR6yQhF8"&gt;President&lt;/a&gt; to&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytzzq9rwhQA"&gt;gay Orthodox Jews&lt;/a&gt;, from &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RKmnAJ3ZWM"&gt;celebrities &lt;/a&gt;to the average &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Pb1CaGMdWk"&gt;Jamey&lt;/a&gt;. &amp;nbsp;He swore he'd fight off bullying. He swore he wouldn't let them get to him anymore, and he swore that he understood it would get better. &amp;nbsp;So many people put so much effort into making the world a safer place for LGBT youth and adolescents, and so many people seemed to be on board with the cause. It was a remarkable project.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-v7IQU20dSiw/TnqhYJJ0EjI/AAAAAAAAAGc/ct7Mk23EaVg/s1600/297052_10150288200532823_502387822_7931003_1939705712_n.jpeg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="256" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-v7IQU20dSiw/TnqhYJJ0EjI/AAAAAAAAAGc/ct7Mk23EaVg/s320/297052_10150288200532823_502387822_7931003_1939705712_n.jpeg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-j6O3-q0ZwTc/TnqhZu5vHQI/AAAAAAAAAGg/SufzZz_46BA/s1600/296556_10150288245392823_502387822_7931208_753982768_n.jpeg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-j6O3-q0ZwTc/TnqhZu5vHQI/AAAAAAAAAGg/SufzZz_46BA/s320/296556_10150288245392823_502387822_7931208_753982768_n.jpeg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;When I heard the news about Jamey Rodemeyer, a fourteen year old from Buffalo, New York who had taken his own life, I did some research. Jamey was a &lt;a href="http://hausofjamey.tumblr.com/"&gt;blogger&lt;/a&gt;, Jamey was a &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/xgothemo99xx"&gt;youtube vlogger&lt;/a&gt;, Jamey was an activist, Jamey was only fourteen. Jamey inspired hundreds with his posts and writings, myself included. Somewhere along the way it became too much for him. So on September 18th at 2am, Jamey Rodemeyer &lt;a href="http://twitter.com/#!/hausofjamey/status/115295838594535424"&gt;tweeted goodbye&lt;/a&gt; to his support system, the ever wonderful Lady Gaga, for her work and belief in equal rights for all. He said goodbye to his "mother" and raised his "paws up" forever. Jamey took his own life at fourteen years old.&lt;br /&gt;This story is one of many. This story makes me cry not simply because a child committed suicide, not simply because he was bullied, not simply because he was gay, but touches my heart because he was an activist like me. He was strong. His friends have spoken wonderfully about how strong their friend Jamey was. &lt;br /&gt;I wish I could've met Jamey. I wish I could've spoken to Jamey. I wish to God that he watched the It Gets Better video I released last year, just in hopes that he knew there was and is hope out there.&amp;nbsp;I will miss this boy I had never met. I will miss the impact he was capable of having on the world. I will miss his strength and I will miss the hundred years of life he did not get to live because people decided he wasn't worth it. Because other people decided that he was a joke.&lt;br /&gt;A few hours ago, Lady GaGa began a campaign, which is now trending on Twitter, to spur the movement for anti-bullying legislation. Tonight, Anderson Cooper, joined by Tracy and Tim Rodemeyer, Jamey's parents, hosted a segment about the incredible life of Jamey (&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQwdeJuvcPs&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). &amp;nbsp;Although it took a few days, the news of Jamey Rodemeyer has finally reached the national public, and should not fade until the bullying stops. Until the hatred and the violence stops. Until the Jameys of the world get to live past 14 years old.&lt;br /&gt;Here are some links about Jamey and the interviews/articles/campaigns his untimely death has sparked:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://twitter.com/#!/ladygaga/status/116634542135189504"&gt;http://twitter.com/#!/ladygaga/status/116634542135189504&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://yubeacon.com/2011/09/features/paws-up-forever-jamey/"&gt;http://yubeacon.com/2011/09/features/paws-up-forever-jamey/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/20/jamey-rodemeyer-suicide-gay-bullying_n_972023.html"&gt;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/20/jamey-rodemeyer-suicide-gay-bullying_n_972023.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-2207434675094663528?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/2207434675094663528/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/09/rip-jamey.html#comment-form' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2207434675094663528'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2207434675094663528'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/09/rip-jamey.html' title='HausofJamey'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-v7IQU20dSiw/TnqhYJJ0EjI/AAAAAAAAAGc/ct7Mk23EaVg/s72-c/297052_10150288200532823_502387822_7931003_1939705712_n.jpeg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-4159935268833413701</id><published>2011-09-20T13:18:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2011-09-20T14:06:33.967-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='closet'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='dating'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='happiness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='struggle'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='love'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>Frum, Confused and Engaged</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;Yesterday my Facebook read: "three weeks ago he *tried* to have cyber sex with me. today he's engaged to a woman."Just to clarify this individual, nor his fiance, are on Facebook, so there is no way for anyone to know who I'm talking about or for them to know there's a conversation going on about them. They are also not on onlysimchas, so no need to go searching.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Over the past few years of friendship with this person, just an acquaintance who I spoke to online sometimes or when I saw him around, turned into sexual conversation where he would ask me what type of things were considered "normal" (sexually) by secular social standards, by Modern Orthodox standards and by Orthodox standards.  He had told me some of his struggles not sure what gender or sex he was attracted to, or how to live his life. He had attraction to women, men, and had sexual experiences with both. Often, the conversation would get too sexual and he would try to lead me into cyber-sex, which was not something I would do, he would get angry at me and I wouldn't hear from him for a few weeks until he felt lonely again. He asked me introduce him to my friends via the internet or phone, but I refused, not being comfortable with him approaching my friends, especially when he was so unclear of who he was himself. I recommended therapy, but he felt it was too taboo in his community, and I recommended speaking to a Rabbi or other leader and he said he wouldn't feel comfortable. This went on for about 8-9 months.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our most recent conversation again began with him begging me to introduce him to a friend he could talk to about sexual things or just to help him with his loneliness, and eventually he tried to lead the conversation to places I was uncomfortable with, so it stopped and he again stopped talking to me for a few weeks.So yesterday he texts me with an apology for his behavior but I assure him I won't be setting him up to talk with any of my friends, and he responds he found an outlet for his loneliness, and frankly, his horniness, and that he was engaged.  My concerns are for his wife- that he will be with her for the wrong reasons, that the community pressure has gotten to him. There is so much pressure in Orthodox and Modern Orthodox communities to get married at 22/23/24, that too many just rush into it. I also worry that he will get tired of her and cheat on her and worst case, bring home a virus of some sort because he will be fulfilling certain desires outside of his marriage. I hope this is not the case. I hope this is not what happens. Because I do not know where he is sexually or emotionally, I can't "break up" the relationship or anything. I have tried and tried to help him through his issues and tried to get him to see a more professional person, but he refuses.  His life is now his, and I really do wish him and his wife luck in their future together.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A concern and area of struggle for me in all this, is knowing that I tried and failed, knowing that I really wanted to help him and speak with him and attempt to help him understand himself. I had no idea he was dating someone and I also have no idea how long he was dating her for. All I know is that he was hitting on me, attracted to men and women and not sure where his emotions lied. And it just doesn't feel good knowing that he's just getting married, as if that will make everything better.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-4159935268833413701?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/4159935268833413701/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/09/cyber-sex.html#comment-form' title='15 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4159935268833413701'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4159935268833413701'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/09/cyber-sex.html' title='Frum, Confused and Engaged'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>15</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-2940587650967892900</id><published>2011-09-11T19:30:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2011-09-11T19:34:36.124-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='dating'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='relationship'/><title type='text'>One Hundred</title><content type='html'>This post is dedicated to my boyfriend who has changed my life so much, and makes me a better person every second of every minute of every day. For my one hundredth blog post, I’d like to, for the first time, write about being in a Frum and gay relationship. There’s a lot of work that goes into any relationship, and in my opinion, even more work in a gay relationship, and even more work in a religious and gay relationship.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;I want to express some of the difficulty of being a Frum and gay couple. For me, it’s easy to parade around New York City holding his hand, being part of a couple like so many others. But with a Yarmulka on both our heads, it changes how people look at us. There’s the opportunity to make a tremendous Kiddush Hashem, or sanctification of God’s name, by being a happy gay and religious couple, although many more religious people would argue that it is a desecration of God’s name for me to be in a relationship in public. But for most in 2011 New York City people will say “Wow- even religious Jews can be homosexual and happy and in a relationship.” For others, it says- “Wow, homosexuality even exists in the Jewish community, who knew?” For others it says “Ew, gay people, what an abomination”. But for my friends and my community, and for his as well, I hope it says- I’m happy that they’re happy.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;But within a religious community there is an added level of discomfort for a gay couple. It was one thing as a single person, but now it is likely that others will feel more uncomfortable because I’m in a relationship. A large percentage of my Orthodox friends have never interacted with a gay couple before, so comfort levels will vary and I acknowledge that. Do I act the way I want to act? Do I inhibit certain behaviors in front of certain friends? More so, it’s one thing for someone to stay in the closet and for me to out- and for both of us to interact, but it’s another thing for me to interact with my boyfriend in front of someone in the closet, and I would hate to cause them discomfort. But it’s my right to be who I am, and my right to be happy with my boyfriend.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;As many other blog posts have ended, there’s a balancing act. Sometimes I can be however I want with my boyfriend, and sometimes I’m better off acting less like a couple in front of specific people. My boyfriend and I work to make sure no one is uncomfortable with us, but we also try to keep our own rights and happiness in mind.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-2940587650967892900?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/2940587650967892900/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/09/one-hundred.html#comment-form' title='32 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2940587650967892900'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2940587650967892900'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/09/one-hundred.html' title='One Hundred'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>32</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-3901105407959175072</id><published>2011-09-07T21:12:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2011-09-07T21:13:28.819-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Frum'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='society'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sexuality'/><title type='text'>The Shabbat Table</title><content type='html'>I’ve mentioned before how every weekend, the Shabbat Table conversation will very often revolve around topics like who’s getting married, who’s dating, what’s going on in the community and gossip like that. Growing up, once or twice the question of “who’s gay” also came up a few times, and it is slightly offensive to think that now my name is brought up around Shabbat Tables. But people will talk.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More than people talking, however, are people asking questions. I attend many meals, and anyone who knows me knows that I am an open and proud homosexual. Generally, within minutes of meeting me, many will ask about others they suspect who may or may not be gay. They ask me to confirm rumors, to voice my suspicions- and make no mistake, it’s a really difficult position for me to be in. I will never out someone, but often feel that I do not want to lie or I feel pressure to answer honestly, in hopes of building trust and friendship with the people I’m spending time with. But I fight myself, because I know how hard it can be for someone to be in the closet- especially when others are talking and speculating about him or her. I don’t out people, and have been working on myself to keep a poker face and not make backhanded comments that can really ruin someone’s reputation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the bigger picture issue here is- why am I even being asked these questions? It’s not my job, nor other people’s jobs to question someone’s sexuality. It’s not my job, nor anyone else’s job, to force someone out of the closet. I do hope, with my activism and my blog, that I encourage people to come out and not run away from who they are. I hope people see that it is possible to be gay and religious and out at the same time. But if someone chooses not to, it is not the community’s job to speculate, spread rumors, or to discuss around the Shabbos Table what someone’s sexuality is.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-3901105407959175072?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/3901105407959175072/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/09/shabbat-table.html#comment-form' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/3901105407959175072'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/3901105407959175072'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/09/shabbat-table.html' title='The Shabbat Table'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-9053680584860336554</id><published>2011-08-25T14:09:00.005-04:00</published><updated>2011-08-25T14:59:09.851-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='happiness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pride'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>One for August, year two</title><content type='html'>Sorry about the break everyone, but as last summer, I took a month off from blogging to allow myself some personal time and time to reflect on all that has developed in the past year. I attended two weddings of very close friends this summer- and I wanted to share some of my emotions from those experiences.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the Orthodox community, I was raised to be married by 23, a goal I did not reach, and it was always understood that at the end of college I would settle down and start a married life like so many of my friends have done and are doing.  Because I'm gay, what may happen for me some day is not the traditional Modern Orthodox wedding and this used to make me very sad. This is why I used to cry at friend's celebrations, out of sadness. However, this summer a few people helped me realize that whatever wedding I do have will just be another growth and development on my part and on the part of those who choose to share it with me. It may not be the traditional celebration I grew up to know- or the ones my friends had, but I can no longer let that bring me down- because whatever I do have will be more than special enough.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On that note, I finally experienced true tears of joy, instead of sadness. Tears of joy are probably one of the most complicated and incredible emotions a person can experience. As I watched my best friend of ten years walk down the aisle, looking more beautiful than anyone I've ever seen in the world, I felt such joy and happiness that smiling wasn't enough. My smile was from ear to ear, but I had more emotion to express and I began crying. I began sobbing, actually. But I wasn't sad, I wasn't upset, I wasn't jealous, I was just truly happy for my best friend. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, I wanted to share how at many Jewish weddings, the Bride and Groom may privately bless some who attend, to share the purity of their day with their friends. At these two close weddings, I finally got the blessings I had been waiting for after the scores of other wedding blessings I had received. I was blessed to find the one, whomever it may be. I was blessed to find the happiness that every bride and groom find on their wedding day, and I was blessed to continue my life with the pride I've always expressed. And those blessings meant the world to me. No "may you find your path" "may God help you be happy", but just to find happiness and someone to share my life with and do it with strength. Because true love is out there for everyone, and so is happiness- as I have always said. I think that's the essence of our religion and that's the essence of what God wants for His children.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-9053680584860336554?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/9053680584860336554/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/08/one-for-august-year-two.html#comment-form' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/9053680584860336554'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/9053680584860336554'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/08/one-for-august-year-two.html' title='One for August, year two'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-5830456707498849196</id><published>2011-07-26T18:58:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2011-07-26T19:14:58.143-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tolerance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='torah'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>Protests</title><content type='html'>Here's the problem. The problem is many religious communities insist on being "amidst" others, to be "a light unto the nations" (a very Jewish concept) and exemplify Jewish way of life as the most befitting in God's eyes.  Somewhere along the way, however, this was lost. Somewhere along the way, people decided not just to be a light for others, but to protest, to denounce and to look down upon others for simply being different.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nowhere in the Torah does it say to look down on others. Does it say to watch over and protect other members of their own nation? Yes.  Do many Jews feel the obligation to scold and scorn members of their own communities for wrongdoings? Yes. But the problem is that too many individuals and communities took it upon themselves to be the judge of others and to decide what is best for the rest of the world as well.  We have Jews who protest their own Jewish companies because the companies support building a homeland in Israel. We have Jews who say that an innocent sweet boy was murdered because communities didn't protest gay marriage or because Jews let a convicted child molester from their own community go to jail, they are being punished by losing an innocent child. But forget about issues pertaining to their own communities, we have Jews who run out and protest civil gay marriage, when that's not their right, nor does it impact the way they practice their religion. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To me, this does not exemplify any aspect of Judaism or human decency. What ever happened to live and let live? I understand wanting one's own little bubble to be perfect, but individuals who violate one or two standards of "norm", established hundreds or thousands of years ago, should not be criticized as too often happens. In addition, when other people make decisions for their own lives, more religious communities simply have no right to protest or scorn or scold. It is simply a matter of human decency to let someone go about their life as they choose, and not protest it, especially when it doesn't directly impact them. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know this post comes off as harsh, or as attacking, but it is simply meant to establish the way I feel about respect and equal rights for every person in this country and in this world - without judgment by "others".&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-5830456707498849196?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/5830456707498849196/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/07/protests.html#comment-form' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5830456707498849196'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5830456707498849196'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/07/protests.html' title='Protests'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-3651847844431969235</id><published>2011-07-21T12:00:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2011-07-21T12:08:12.334-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><title type='text'>Role Reversal</title><content type='html'>I've been thinking lately- gay and Frum, Frum and gay, my perspective has always been about the problems I have with Orthodoxy and how to be more accepted in my communities and all that. But I recently came to realize that there is a whole other perspective to take into account. The gay community needs to have room for Orthodoxy!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Too often, friends and I are uncomfortable wearing our Yarmulkas and other religious articles in public, because we're scared of being pigeonholed into the negative views that so many people have of Orthodox Jews.  This shouldn't be so. The LGBT community is one of acceptance, love and tolerance for all- including various religious beliefs- so why should I feel uncomfortable in my yarmulka? I too often feel that if I walk into a gay bar with a head covering, people will look at me differently or be scared to approach me because I don't fit the LGBT stereotype- I defy it by imposing religion into that community.  However, I feel strongly that the two need to go hand in hand and for that reason I do not take off my Yarmulka.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My point is simple. I feel that my religious beliefs should not exclude me from being part of any LGBT community, the same way I feel that sexuality should never exclude me from a religious community.  People judging is part of this 21st century life we lead- but we need to make sure other's judgments aren't something we let bother us or we let control our actions and behaviors.  As much as I want to be openly gay in my religious communities, I want to be openly religious in my gay communities.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-3651847844431969235?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/3651847844431969235/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/07/role-reversal.html#comment-form' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/3651847844431969235'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/3651847844431969235'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/07/role-reversal.html' title='Role Reversal'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-1545038464423293214</id><published>2011-07-13T17:45:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2011-07-13T18:03:34.164-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='emotions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='personal'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><title type='text'>Attraction</title><content type='html'>I want to share an aspect of understanding my sexuality that was probably one of the last things I ever really had a grasp on: attraction. For years, throughout elementary school and high school, I thought every girl I met was special.  Every time I built a relationship with a girl, I inevitably crushed on them within a few months, and some I even dated.  But what were those feelings?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After understanding that I was gay, I realized that these relationships I had built were normal friendships.  When a girl got me giddy and I was all excited to hang out with them- they were good friends. I always thought I had an attraction to men and women, the attraction to women was normal and to men was weird, raw, emotional, clearly messed up and therefore needed to be fixed.  But when I finally accepted who I was, for myself, I realized that the raw, emotional attraction I had towards men, that I thought was unhealthy and bad- was what heterosexual men feel towards women.  And the fun, light, and chill attraction I had towards women was actually friendship, and what heterosexual men felt towards each other.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For so many years I wanted so badly to be straight that I never understood my own emotions- I thought women were "normal" and my feelings towards men were "unhealthy".  Many would argue that my feelings still are that way, but from my own personal experience I can tell you- for me, my feelings towards men are the ones that feel real and strong. The ones towards women, as much as I love my best friends, are not nearly as beautiful and emotional for me.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-1545038464423293214?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/1545038464423293214/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/07/attraction.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/1545038464423293214'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/1545038464423293214'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/07/attraction.html' title='Attraction'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-7580092071205479952</id><published>2011-06-30T20:29:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2011-06-30T20:40:46.158-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pride'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>Externals</title><content type='html'>Last summer, I was thrilled to have bought a little $2 bracelet at my first ever pride. One of those rubber-y livestrong types- simply in rainbow colors. I wore it for a few months until it broke, and it was a sad day. I felt balanced, with a Yarmulka on my head and a pride bracelet on my wrist. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The head covering symbolizes God's presence in my life, my reminder that he in constantly above me and the feeling that he's watching over me.  Not to mention the obligation it puts on me to be a Jew and act appropriately in the eyes of God at all times.  These are all things I have been taught that the Yarmulka symbolizes, and I remember it as often as I can. However, there's another part of me that is also very important. Unfortunately, people box and stereotype and pigeonhole, all of which I have discussed on here earlier, and when someone sees me in a Yarmulka they automatically make assumptions about who I am.  As I have pointed out before, I like to challenge those assumptions and teach people that not everything the believe to be true is automatically, always true. For that reason I like the Pride bracelet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This summer I bought another one, that will hopefully last a bit long than the last one.  I like to show the world that I don't necessarily fit the mold and can't always be held to preconceived notions about Jews or Orthodoxy. I understand that it seems self centered and maybe crying for attention, but it's really not. It's just about having a comprehensive sense of who I am. If I have to wear the Kippah over my head at all times, I want to wear the bracelet on my wrist.&lt;br /&gt;I realized today that for me, being proud is not about my sexual desires or "deviance" from "norms". However, being proud is about opposing shame. It's about telling myself that all those years of hate and shame for who I was are no longer, and all the hurt of hiding doesn't have to be true. By marching in pride, and by wearing this bracelet, I understand and in essence reach out to my high school self to tell him it's okay. I don't have to feel shame any more.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-7580092071205479952?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/7580092071205479952/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/06/externals.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/7580092071205479952'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/7580092071205479952'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/06/externals.html' title='Externals'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-9033350672150489449</id><published>2011-06-27T14:29:00.006-04:00</published><updated>2011-06-27T15:23:45.790-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pride'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>Gay Marriage and Pride</title><content type='html'>Last Friday, history was made in New York State as the State Senate voted to become the sixth state in the US to legalize same-sex marriages. I found this out Shabbat morning as the paper was delivered and felt my heart swell with emotion as tears began to flow. It's a beautiful thing to know that one day, I will be able to have a New York "husband", even though I do know that I will never have an Orthodox Jewish marriage to a man. I know that we will be respected with the same rights every heterosexual couple has, taxes, insurance, employment benefits and the like- the things that I grew up knowing that every normal adult heterosexual couple has to deal with, are now relevant for homosexual couples as well. It helps me feel as "normal" as I know that I am.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sunday morning I awoke and got down to Bryant Park where I met up with many gay friends- Orthodox and non-Orthodox, to have a bagel and cream cheese brunch followed by the New York City Pride Parade.  The group of us stood by 34th for about an hour or two, watching gorgeous celebrations of men, women, children and the like, show their support and their pride for the lifestyle they lead.  I got caught up in emotion as Governor Cuomo, a proponent of same-sex marriage, passed by, and the crowd roared with cheers of thanks and excitement, for a politician who actually kept to his promise. The tears began to flow once again, and only continued as a car passed by with Dan Savage, and his partner Terry Miller, the founders of the "It Gets Better" project. From a distance, they noticed the contingency of Yarmulkes on the side and held up a sign that said "thank you" and pointed it at us. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Soon Congregation Beit Simchat Torah, the largest Jewish LGBT congregation in New York, passed by with their float and members of JQ Youth ran out into the streets to dance with them.  I was particularly encouraged to march with a flag I borrowed from a friend- a pride flag with a Jewish star in the middle, brought directly from Tel-Aviv.  The march was invigorating and exciting as onlookers were shocked to see religious individuals and people celebrating religion while celebrating their sexuality.  I posed for hundreds of cameras who simply pointed to the flag in awe. By the end, my feet were killing me but my heart was full. I understood the word "pride"- from a Jewish sense and a gay sense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UXgpS8dxNfk/TgjPVqMqNnI/AAAAAAAAAEo/ejHqS12DIwU/s1600/photo-2.jpeg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 182px; height: 320px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UXgpS8dxNfk/TgjPVqMqNnI/AAAAAAAAAEo/ejHqS12DIwU/s320/photo-2.jpeg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5622972105783654002" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Last year, I couldn't bring myself to march. I thought it was inappropriate, I thought religion and sexuality could never be mixed. But as I have grown over the past few years, the two have finally seemed to find a resting place within me, and I couldn't be more proud.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-9033350672150489449?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/9033350672150489449/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/06/gay-marriage-and-pride.html#comment-form' title='14 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/9033350672150489449'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/9033350672150489449'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/06/gay-marriage-and-pride.html' title='Gay Marriage and Pride'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UXgpS8dxNfk/TgjPVqMqNnI/AAAAAAAAAEo/ejHqS12DIwU/s72-c/photo-2.jpeg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>14</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-6336403619122619136</id><published>2011-06-11T22:57:00.006-04:00</published><updated>2011-06-15T17:10:04.560-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Frum'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>Every Step I Take</title><content type='html'>Why do I do it? &lt;br /&gt;I've often questioned the reasons why I stay Orthodox.  And for a while, I had little to no answer.  The community tries to reject me, leaders put me down, and people consistently disappoint me in the Orthodox world. So why do I put myself through this? Reasons in the past have included family, friends, just because it was all I had ever known- I didn't want it to change.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, last week I celebrated Shavuot, commemorating the day God gave the Torah to the Jewish people. I heard a unique perspective that help me put something into words that I was never able to articulate before.  I realized that while various aspects of what laws to keep and what defines "Orthodoxy" are confusing to the nth degree, being Orthodox, and identifying myself as such helps me feel part of a bigger picture. Each day I am able to belong to a strong movement of people, to a larger nation that believes in something, that has a passion and commitment that has lasted close to 6,000 years. Being Orthodox makes every step I take purposeful.  Almost everything I do has the ultimate goal of betterment of myself, of humanity, and of the Jewish nation.  I have the goal of being close to God at the forefront of my mind, and it's something I wouldn't trade for anything else.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe in God, I believe in Judaism, I have pride in that and couldn't imagine my life not being Orthodox. It doesn't seem like an option. For the first year or so of being out, I would say I struggled greatly with whether or not I was going to be religious and how I could go to a gay bar with a yarmulka. But then I envisioned a life without a yarmulka and that was an even scarier thought. It was a process and it took time. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I wouldn't have it any other way.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-6336403619122619136?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/6336403619122619136/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/06/every-step-i-take.html#comment-form' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6336403619122619136'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6336403619122619136'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/06/every-step-i-take.html' title='Every Step I Take'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-5072577913914922727</id><published>2011-06-06T17:09:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2011-06-06T17:20:58.770-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sadness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='depression'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='struggle'/><title type='text'>Weakness</title><content type='html'>I've been waiting for the right topic to hit me, and after a long weekend it finally did. I had a wonderful weekend. I spent Friday Night Dinner with over 250 LGBT identified Jews. Some Orthodox, some not, some older, some younger, a varying group of individuals, most of whom I was privileged to meet.  It really was a great meal, with Shabbat themes and a feeling of Jewish communal warmth.  The next day, I ate lunch in the park with over 20 of my Jewish and gay friends, most religious and some not, but again, a beautiful day.  Saturday night I celebrated a friends birthday, and enjoyed the night out. Sunday was the Israeli day parade, but when I came home at around 5 pm, things slowed down.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I went back to my regular life, which right now is time between my school year and my summer job, and consists of hours of television watching, and going out to meet with friends. For me, too much time like this is detrimental.  I'm one of those people who needs to be structured and working to feel happy and productive with their daily lives, which I do not have right now.  So I sit thinking, staring at the TV and ultimately finding all the things in my life that worry me, stress me out, began to feel hopeless and helpless, and until a few friends helped me out of it, was a very painful time.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But in that time- something stuck out clear as day- weakness. I realized that for all my strength and courage, for all the support so many people in my life give me, I still sometimes feel weak.  I feel confused, scared, uncomfortable, worried about so many different things in my life and thought there was no way out.  But then I realized that it was okay, and that it was "normal" to struggle and even to hurt sometimes.  I wanted to share on the blog, that it's okay to feel sadness and to struggle- because we all do.  The important thing is to pick ourselves up and continue being strong, in spite of the struggle and regardless of the troubles we may have.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-5072577913914922727?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/5072577913914922727/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/06/weakness.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5072577913914922727'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5072577913914922727'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/06/weakness.html' title='Weakness'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-6887827579858110622</id><published>2011-05-26T18:43:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2011-05-26T19:04:25.660-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='closet'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='maturity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><title type='text'>Ain't life funny?</title><content type='html'>Something that always bothered me about homosexuality- whether in high school, when I was in the closet or when I came out 2 and a half years ago- is how funny it is.  Let me explain. In most institutions that I went to, Jewish High School and college, being gay was &lt;i&gt;funny&lt;/i&gt;. Being gay is funny. It's hilarious. For many straight men, and I can't speak for women because I don't know, being gay is hilarious- it's cool to inappropriately touch other men, it's funny to walk around holding another guy's hand or speaking with a lisp. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I want to explain something- being gay is not funny. In fact, every time something like that happened in high school or any other time while I was in the closet, it made me uncomfortable. It made me hurt, because they were laughing not because being gay was an enjoyable pastime, but because it was a joke.  But for me it wasn't a joke, for me it was reality.  And when I was in the closet and someone would do something stereotypically gay to make fun of "the gays", it hurt me because they were making fun of me.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now that I'm out of the closet it doesn't hurt, because I'm happy with who I am and if you want to make fun of me that's your choice.  All the more so, I know that when someone makes fun of someone else they're usually doing it because of insecurities within themselves, especially the older someone gets, because a person should be free to live as they choose, and others should never be judging them.  But anyway, what doesn't hurt when I see making fun, is that to this day, I know that there are people still in the closet suffering in silence like I did for so many years, who are still hurt when people or "friends" run around, pretending to be gay, making funny jokes about being gay. Because when people make fun of someone else, they're essentially putting them beneath themselves, like gay people are less than them, and their feelings don't matter. And that's just not true.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-6887827579858110622?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/6887827579858110622/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/05/aint-life-funny.html#comment-form' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6887827579858110622'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6887827579858110622'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/05/aint-life-funny.html' title='Ain&apos;t life funny?'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-2461806190919909748</id><published>2011-05-24T11:25:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2011-05-24T11:48:52.733-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tolerance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='society'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><title type='text'>Tolerance/Intolerance</title><content type='html'>(note: apology for the blog lag this month, finals in school)&lt;br /&gt;Agree to disagree, love to hate, hate to love, sick and tired of being tired and sick, there are so many contradictions in this world, how can we ever just get along? Well, we can.  I've had the pleasure of discussions and conversations with people that I may never agree with.  But you know what? That doesn't mean I don't respect their choices.  I respect you if your opinion differs from mine, I respect you if you don't "approve" of my lifestyle, but I don't respect you if you talk down to me as if you are any better than me, because we all have our flaws, and homosexuality is not a flaw.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I preach tolerance, I preach open-mindedness and I preach discussion.  I preach respect, honesty, and conviction. I implore all my readers to question everything and never believe without knowing why you believe.  I respect people different from me and communities and cultures that are different from my own.  However, there is something I don't respect- people who don't respect each other. Communities that don't provide equal rights to their members because of sex, age, orientation or any  variety of other factors.  People should never be told or commanded to to act by others around them without being able to make decisions and decide for themselves what they'd like to do.  It's one thing for a community to have laws and rules, it's another to post signs in public that tell people how to behave.  It's not Jewish law, it's not legal law, it's a communal restriction that can make many feel oppressed and uncomfortable.  In addition, who is it that puts up these signs or makes these laws? Who has the power to control what others can and cannot do?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I choose to live in America, and therefore to follow American law. I choose to be an Orthodox Jew, and therefore follow Orthodox law. There are societies and communities worldwide, however, that do not have such freedom and such choices.  I'm thankful to be in such an open country, and concerned for the communities that in a free world, choose to be oppressive to members of their own society. I am intolerant of intolerance.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-2461806190919909748?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/2461806190919909748/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/05/toleranceintolerance.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2461806190919909748'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2461806190919909748'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/05/toleranceintolerance.html' title='Tolerance/Intolerance'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-8154595939415274742</id><published>2011-05-08T11:03:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2011-05-08T11:18:23.735-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tolerance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sexuality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='torah'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Halacha'/><title type='text'>Legal Matters</title><content type='html'>A question that I wanted to address is one that I've thought about for a while, but never realized some of you guys were thinking about it too. The question is- I preach open conversation about sexuality, acceptance and open-mindedness, but how can I then say that homosexual acts are wrong? Isn't it inevitable that more discussion and openness will lead to more people questioning and experimenting?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The answer is I don't know. I don't control how other people interpret openness and tolerance.  I know that the more I open up to my friends and people in my life about sexuality, the more they feel comfortable talking about it.  In no way do I control whether or not others will experiment or question their sexual attractions.  All I hope with my posts is for people to entertain the thought that a same sex relationship may not be "disgusting" and that just because we may not have grown up dealing with a specific issue, doesn't mean we have to keep ignoring the issue as adults.  &lt;br /&gt;It also seems the more openly I discuss sexuality, the more closeted people come to me for sex or experimentation- but that's not my intention. Being open about sexuality and sexual matters does not mean one needs to go and act on every impulse or desire, it simply means that one can and should entertain the thought- but then let their moral or Torah conscience be their guide.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Honestly, my hope is as follows- if you start talking about sexuality and questioning, and you're a religious person, you will be in enough awe of the Torah and of Halakha (Jewish law) not to experiment just because you feel like it.  You should be comfortable enough to entertain the thought of sexual tolerance and understanding, but that doesn't mean you have to go out and do everything you feel.  That's part of living in a Halakhic society, self control and limitations.  If you feel that your attraction is stronger to one sex as opposed to the other, or you feel that you sexual identity expresses itself in a very specific way, that's yours to confront and your decision how that will impact your life as an observant Jew.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-8154595939415274742?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/8154595939415274742/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/05/legal-matters.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/8154595939415274742'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/8154595939415274742'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/05/legal-matters.html' title='Legal Matters'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-5721069889599997775</id><published>2011-05-02T18:54:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2011-05-02T19:15:24.828-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='personal'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='change'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pride'/><title type='text'>Deal With It</title><content type='html'>Hey everyone- so it's been about a year and a half since I've started the blog, and I know there is something that I want to share with you all.  I wanted to talk about how I've changed over the past year plus.  The blog started with me saying that I'm here to discuss the struggle of being gay and religious.  I was out of the closet for a year when I started the blog, so changes within me have to do not with coming out. but just my development as an adult and person. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The original header of the blog was "I'm not here to say I'm here, I'm queer, deal with it, but to say that I'm Frum and I'm gay and I'm trying to do the best I can with that. (or something to that extent)"  Now, if you'll notice, the header reads: "I am a religious Jew, and I am gay, and I'm trying to do the best I can with those two seemingly conflicting identities."  Why the change? Becuase I changed. Because I realized that what I do say to the world is that "I'm here, I'm queer, deal with it."  And not just say that to the world, but say that to the Orthodox community. Deal with it. Deal with my presence. Deal with homosexuality.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since figuring out so many different aspects of my life- like friends, family, relationships, future career and all- my growth as a person went from confused, young and scared shitless, to proud, strong and confident.  Whether it's the amount of support I received via the blog, my friends and the people close to me, I really developed a sense of pride in who I am and the things I believe in.  I think at a certain point in a person's life, they just start thinking- what do I need, what's good for me? While that may sound selfish, I think it's how we all develop ourselves and become the people we want to become, and that's just how I did it.  I surrounded myself with people who supported me, I sought paths of growth, development and understanding instead of just standing still and forcing myself to accept everything at face value. I came to realize that what I want to say to the world is, I'm here, I'm queer, deal with it.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The blog now continues as I experience how the world and community responds to myself or someone like me, someone who challenges certain beliefs that they may have grown up with, and suggests new options they may never have considered.  Someone who is Orthodox but also gay, and is not willing to give either of those up. Someone who is telling you to deal with it.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-5721069889599997775?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/5721069889599997775/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/05/deal-with-it.html#comment-form' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5721069889599997775'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5721069889599997775'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/05/deal-with-it.html' title='Deal With It'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-6197139822948527064</id><published>2011-04-27T22:11:00.005-04:00</published><updated>2011-04-27T22:50:05.822-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='society'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><title type='text'>We R who We R</title><content type='html'>Recently I've been questioning my own self esteem, my own character and my own identity because of who I hang out with.  For anyone who knows me personally, this is not like me.  For the past 3 years I have felt nothing but confidence in who I am and what path my life is on.  But I let judgments of others get to me until finally I understood what was actually going on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I love my friends.  I don't choose my friends because they run in the same social circle as me, I don't choose my friends because we have a,b,c or x,y,z in common.  I choose my friends because of who they are, not because of who I am.  I choose my friends because of them, what they believe in, not based on how they portray themselves of how they may appear to others.  I pride myself in my ability to see beneath the surface of a person's external practices or behaviors, but instead to see who a person is on the inside, and that's why they are in my life.  My friends are not, nor have ever been, part of one circle or one group. My friends have always spanned a spectrum of all different types of people, and this is why it's even hard to balance all the people that I want to have in my life because sometimes I come across the most amazing people, and just because someone may not see the good in a friend of mine, doesn't give them the right to question who I am based on that.  And I certainly shouldn't be questioning myself because of them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I take offense to those that have been questioning my own character and the character of different people I keep in my life.  Who is anyone in this world to judge anyone else? We all have our flaws, but we all expect our friends to accept us knowing those flaws.  I don't only write this blog to explain how because I'm gay, that doesn't mean I'm a bad person, or that you should accept me despite my sexuality, but I write this blog to say that in general, there's more to every person than meets the eye, and no one can ever assume or judge someone else because of something they may perceive.  We all are who we are despite what others think of us, and we should always remember that before we question our friends' choices and behaviors.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-6197139822948527064?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/6197139822948527064/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/04/we-r-who-we-r.html#comment-form' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6197139822948527064'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6197139822948527064'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/04/we-r-who-we-r.html' title='We R who We R'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-8277799673570766916</id><published>2011-04-16T20:59:00.007-04:00</published><updated>2011-04-16T21:51:41.623-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='torah'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Halacha'/><title type='text'>Thou Shalt Not...</title><content type='html'>I'm not going to lie. It's not easy to sit in synagogue listening to the reader clearly pronounce "Thou shalt not lie with a man as one lies with a woman." Year after year.  When I was in the closet I would look around, hoping no one was looking at me, knowing my darkest secret and calling me out on it.  Of course, that never happened. Now, it's a completely different story, and I sit in the synagogue with my head held high, or asleep as I usually am during the Torah reading (lol).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why would I leave? Well, the Torah is once again denouncing "who I am".  But in actuality, it's denouncing only an action- that a man may not lie with another man- which I agree with, because it's the law.  It doesn't make sense to believe in it, because I'm gay, but as an Orthodox Jew I believe in the Torah and everything it says.  Anything otherwise would be sacrilege.  I don't have a problem with what is written, mostly because it's there, it's written and there's nothing I can do about it.  The same way I feel that I'm gay, it's there and there's nothing I can do about that.  However, if I was called up to the Torah for the section where that verse is written I would probably turn down the "honor" as I would rather not be in the spotlight for the verse, either.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There have been many interpretations of the verse over the past 3,000 years.  The most commonly accepted interpretation is the literal prohibition of anal sex, but there are other opinions.  Another opinion is the verse uses language it uses elsewhere to refer to forced intercourse, so some say that the prohibition is only if the act was forced.  So those are some options.&lt;br /&gt;Somehow, I try to keep the two in mind at all times and not run away from either.  I'm not picking one over the other, and even stepping out for that one verse would symbolize my sexuality over my religion and I don't feel that way.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-8277799673570766916?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/8277799673570766916/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/04/thou-shalt-not.html#comment-form' title='13 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/8277799673570766916'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/8277799673570766916'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/04/thou-shalt-not.html' title='Thou Shalt Not...'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>13</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-600436740395213904</id><published>2011-04-10T14:04:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2011-04-10T14:30:11.579-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='video'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='teens'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='closet'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='change'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bullying'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='suicide'/><title type='text'>It Gets Better- Part II</title><content type='html'>A few weeks ago, the "It Gets Better" Project that I had the privilege to be involved in, released a book, with transcripts from the best "It Gets Better" videos and stories that were shared online.  This was done by the creator of the project, Dan Savage.  Dan and his partner Terry had a book signing at Barnes and Noble that I went to, and was able to meet them after, along with my fellow gay Orthodox Jews who shared there story in the video with me.  I wanted to share this experience with you, because it was so beautiful and inspiring and is just a message that needs to be pushed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It gets better is a project about helping those in trouble, inspiring those in who see no hope and supporting those who just want to be themselves.  The project isn't about promising anyone that life is perfect and in fact, Dan himself admitted openly that the phrasing "it gets better" does not really represent what the project is all about.  Many of the best videos included the following admission: does it get better? no. But do you get stronger? yes. THe project was not to say everything works out perfectly, because the last thing a person who is suffering can see is the light at the end of the tunnel.  Life is never perfect, and things change and people change, and something that seems terrible at 15 is no longer as terrible at 18.  Why? Not because the hurt itself is any less painful, but because an individual themselves becomes stronger.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is my life great now that I'm open about my sexuality? No. Is everything easy because I'm out of the closet? No. But did the darkness and despair that I felt at 15 and 16 get better? Yes. Did the way I viewed myself and the way people around me viewed me change? Yes. I grew up, everyone grew up, and that made things around me feel better.  Is there still plenty of bullying? Is there still plenty of rejection from my own community? Yes. But today, I am ten times more capable of facing it all then I was five, six, seven or eight years ago? Absolutely. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The project may be mistitled, but the messaged rings clear- "it" may not get better, but "you" get stronger.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The book can be found here - &lt;a href="http://www.itgetsbetter.org/blog/entry/the-it-gets-better-book-coming-march-22nd/"&gt;It Gets Better&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-600436740395213904?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/600436740395213904/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/04/it-gets-better-part-ii.html#comment-form' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/600436740395213904'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/600436740395213904'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/04/it-gets-better-part-ii.html' title='It Gets Better- Part II'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-527599010055900547</id><published>2011-03-29T12:42:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2011-03-29T13:25:40.799-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='porn'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='politics'/><title type='text'>The Porn Star</title><content type='html'>I’ve stayed away from political elements on ths blog for a long time, but something there’s something I have to mention today, as it relates to the LGBT aspect of the Jewish community as well as to Israel.  Gay porn superstar, Michael Lucas, known for his directing and filming, recently took a stand against the LGBT center running an Israeli Apartheid Week event, aimed at the support of Palestine and the destruction of Israel.  Michael Lucas is known for filming many movies in Israel, as he describes the landscape and country as breathtaking and his beautiful homeland as a Jew, and he also promotes safe-sex only, always using condoms in all his videos, which is revolutionary in the gay porn industry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The concept of the LGBT Center in NYC supporting an Israeli Apartheid week event for Palestinian LGBT groups and supporters is a joke.  Forget about the fact that Israel is not an Apartheid state, and that it’s an insult to South Africa to call the situation in Israel the same, and forget about the fact that Palestinians don’t even exist because Palestine was never a sovereign nation, and therefore it’s people never a people other than Arabs from various middle-Eastern countries. But what is ridiculous is the concept of anyone LGBT standing up for Palestine. How can anyone who supports gay rights support ANY Arab country? Palestinian Authority Police arrest and torture gay men, Palestinians single out gay men in their communities for collaborating with Israel. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In strong contrast, Israel is often a refuge to gay Palestinians who cannot live in Palestinian territory because of persecution and violence. Israel is at the forefront of gay rights, prohibiting workplace discrimination in 1992, allowing openly gay soldiers to serve in 1993, and giving same-sex couples full spousal benefits in 1994. But none of this matters.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ignoring all the facts above, which come from &lt;a href="http://www.standwithus.com/pdfs/flyers/LGBT_booklet.pdf"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;, Michael Lucas was right for one reason only- a place like the LGBT center should not be involved in international politics, and simply support those who live here, and their rights and safety in the US, and specifically NYC.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And don’t even tell me that because he’s a porn star he shouldn’t be listened to.  While not a Jewish value, even a sin, and not even a respectable profession by many accounts, the point is this man holds clout in the gay community. Jews don’t have to respect him for what he does, but they can agree with his opinion and be happy that a Jew, with some amount of power and respect, is standing up for the rights of Israel.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-527599010055900547?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/527599010055900547/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/03/porn-star.html#comment-form' title='14 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/527599010055900547'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/527599010055900547'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/03/porn-star.html' title='The Porn Star'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>14</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-4590343886050900527</id><published>2011-03-17T12:04:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2011-03-17T12:11:17.664-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rabbi'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='change'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>Gay Marriage, pt. II OR "Normal"</title><content type='html'>Last week, I discussed the institution of gay marriage from a legal/political/religious standpoint. This is gay marriage, but with a very different definition. Recently, there has been discussion over a controversial article from Ha’Aretz Israeli newspaper, about a Rabbi who sets up gay men with lesbian women, to get married and raise a family in the Orthodox community, as a means of keeping up their religion and finding happiness.  (Article &lt;a href="http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israeli-rabbis-launch-initiative-to-marry-gay-men-to-lesbian-women-1.348465"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;) So far, 10 of the 12 couples have stayed together.  They keep up appearances, sleeping in the same room but not sleeping together, and they procreate through artificial insemination.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now when I first came out, this was something recommended to me by many people.  Why can’t I just marry a lesbian? I felt this was not the means to a truly happy life- and I would feel too depressed and unfulfilled and I was not willing to “keep up an appearance” for the rest of my life. How can anyone be happy in such a position? But these couples say they are.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think the place where the individuals in this article differ from my path, is their use of the word “normal”- 4 times in direct quotes from these couples, and once from the author of the article.  I have chosen, yes chosen, to change the definition of “normal”.  To look outside what I grew up to believe in, and instead create my own normal, create a world, even within Orthodoxy, where a gay couple can be normal, and not accused or assumed to be violating Torah law.  Instead of forcing myself to go with Orthodox communal definition of “normal”, I thought outside the box, thought to change “normal”, to step outside the bounds of what had been accepted by everyone else.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Orthodox Judaism has never been a static movement, and there has never been one definition of “normal”.  There has been change, progress, growth and development every year, in every community- conversations and issues that change the definition of “normal”. Forget about damaging human emotions, lying to your own children, and all the psychological ramifications, I simply ask, why does homosexuality have to be pushed under the rug, pretending it doesn’t exist, just for the sake of a “normal” that is always changing?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-4590343886050900527?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/4590343886050900527/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/03/gay-marriage-pt-ii-or-normal.html#comment-form' title='37 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4590343886050900527'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4590343886050900527'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/03/gay-marriage-pt-ii-or-normal.html' title='Gay Marriage, pt. II OR &quot;Normal&quot;'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>37</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-8161746432370898281</id><published>2011-03-11T17:25:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2011-03-12T20:00:24.847-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='family'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Halacha'/><title type='text'>Gay Marriage</title><content type='html'>I’ve never really discussed gay marriage here- Halachically (Jewish law) or politically.  I do think, however, those are two very different aspects.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;According to Jewish law, homosexuality is a sin, and whether or not every act of homosexuality can be considered a sin from the Torah or the Rabbi’s, the point is, gay marriage as a Jewish religious institution, does not exist.  The Rabbi’s never set boundaries or laws, or how a wedding should be performed between two people of the same gender.  There is no Ketubah for same-sex couples, there is no Chupah, and while the institution can be created, it has not been, and probably won’t be from an Orhtodox perspective.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Politically, the country is torn, many people are confused, but a growing voice and opinion amongst many is the following: the institution of marriage is a religious one, and it should not be up to the state who is “married” and who is not.  Instead, the state should be giving out civil unions. Between man and woman, man and man, woman and woman, there should be civil unions.  For people who want to be “married”, that’s for their religious institution to decide, and for a religious marriage contract to establish. A political contract would be a union. Now I know this may sound radical to many, but I think it’s a distinct possibility of what may eventually solve the “gay marriage” controversy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For myself, I do want a civil union. I want a partner, a husband, someone who I am connected to by civil law, sharing rights and benefits, and creating a family of my own. Having children is something I have discussed in the past, and will get to discussing again soon, but not in this post.  I do wish my religion could recognize my family unit however I choose to create it, but when it comes down to it- Orthodox Judaism does not, but that does not make me want to leave the community, it’s just a fact that I accept.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-8161746432370898281?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/8161746432370898281/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/03/gay-marriage.html#comment-form' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/8161746432370898281'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/8161746432370898281'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/03/gay-marriage.html' title='Gay Marriage'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-6918107028341402196</id><published>2011-03-02T21:45:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2011-03-03T12:05:41.843-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='personal'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>Redundant</title><content type='html'>Hey- so to answer some of your complaints, again, complaints, I've written about JONAH in the past. That's why I will not do it again. One of the many times I've written about them was &lt;a href="http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/09/change-part-2.html"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;. So I'm not going to address it again. At least not right now. But what I am going to address again- gay men marrying women.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Gay men marrying straight women or gay men marrying gay women, or women anywhere in between, is wrong. And it rarely works. And here's why it bothers me so much- every day, and if not every day than every other day, I get an email, or a Facebook message or some form of contact from men, married to women. What do they want? Well, depends. Some want support, which I am happy to offer. Some want advice, which I also am happy to offer. Some want a physical relationship or sex (which I turn down), but the point is that these are men, who married women because they thought it would just get better, they thought they're attraction would go away or that they could just ignore it, and if they married a woman their lives would just get better. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The advice I give? To be open with your wife about this, if you find yourself married and struggling. Because at least then the two partners can be open in their relationship and discuss possible options. I feel that's the only way for a man having homosexual attraction to at least not feel so alone- if they are open with their spouse about it. I never asked to be the one for everyone to come to with these "problems" or "confusions", but I did put myself out here, on a blog. And for that reason people do come to me, and I have to do suggest what I think is best, mostly because there is no one else. And because so many of these people come from communities that would never consider discussing sexuality, when it stares them in the face on TV and the internet and the news every day. So they look for somewhere to go, and they find me. So I have to do the best I can, and I make sure they know that life isn't over and that there are options.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now I'm sure there are women that marry men, as well, for the same reasons- but I haven't heard from them.  I just know that I need to reinforce something I have always said- that gay or confused/questioning men, should not marry women. I say confused and questioning because very often, those are the first steps to  much deeper sexual orientation that can't simply be ignored. I'm not saying run around and sleep with everyone to figure it out- but before you rush into marriage to fix the problem, make sure you are fully aware of where your brain, body and heart is at. Otherwise too many people end up hurt.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-6918107028341402196?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/6918107028341402196/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/03/redundant.html#comment-form' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6918107028341402196'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6918107028341402196'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/03/redundant.html' title='Redundant'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-5557074564894568786</id><published>2011-02-24T10:28:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2011-02-24T15:22:08.713-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='personal'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='meta'/><title type='text'>Don't Hate</title><content type='html'>My "cheesy" slogan ever since I started this blog, now apparently a forum as well, has been 'don't hate, educate'. The purpose of this blog has always been to explain the struggle of being Frum and gay, and maybe help others see that life isn't always so black and white.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems that I need to clarify that this blog, while here to discuss topics and situations that have too often been ignored, is still MY blog. I have the right to answer whatever questions I feel like I want to answer, and I have the right to keep private certain things that I feel should be kept private. I have never shied away from a topic bc it may have been too controversial- but I confront every topic that I feel I want to blog about. They may not answer all your questions, but they are what I feel needs to be discussed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Next, I have never and will never lied to my readers. There have been claims of question to my character and my 'happiness' but what you read here is true. I'm not happy golucky one hundred percent of the time in my personal life because no person is. I have moods and struggles and stressors every day- just like you. But since coming out two and a half years ago (wow!), my life has only gotten better, and I have only gotten happier and stronger as a person. And I wouldn't trade that in for anything.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I appreciate the readers, the followers, the commentators, and everything you all have to say, and I do try my best to answer your questions, but at the end of the day, the blog is mine to write and the content is mine to control, and my life is my own- to keep certain things personal, while trying to be open and honest with you all at the same time. So I hope I do you justice through it all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And finally, how can a married homosexual with children call themselves Orthodox? Because who decides what the definition of Orthodoxy is? Who decides what it means to be Frum? Despite years of struggle and rejection I am still here, and I reserve the right to call myself Orthodox because I am Shomer Torah and Mitzvot, just like everyone else. Is there another added layer when gay- that I may or may not be sinning because I may or may not have the desire to go against a commandment that most of you do not have to deal with? Yes, there is the extra layer, which is why gay Orthodox Jews struggle. But that fact alone should not and does not exclude me from Orthodoxy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is what I ask all my readers, followers and commentators to keep in mind when reading, judging, and discussing my personal life and my choices as the author of this blog in your conversations below.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-5557074564894568786?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/5557074564894568786/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/02/dont-hate.html#comment-form' title='18 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5557074564894568786'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5557074564894568786'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/02/dont-hate.html' title='Don&apos;t Hate'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>18</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-758592054105454074</id><published>2011-02-16T22:05:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2011-02-16T22:14:34.869-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sex'/><title type='text'>Risque</title><content type='html'>So I'm not letting "a friend" deter me. Because this is gonna be a pretty intense post. Short, but intense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Does being gay mean one is sinning? I think I posted this way back in the early days of the blog, but it warrants reminding to the general population. Something that many Rabbis and people who judge in general, such as "a friend" in the last post's comments, assume that being gay means one is there violating a prohibition of the Bible.  The most commonly accepted interpretation in Modern Orthodoxy of the verse against homosexuality, is that the Biblical prohibition is towards anal sex only.  Does coming out inherently mean that one is having anal sex? No, no it does not. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People are too quick to put the two together, when, indeed, they are very different things.  Maybe a religious guy is out but isn't having anal sex b/c he cant find anyone to do it with him, or maybe he isn't having it because of his religious beliefs, or maybe he is having it! But that's not for anyone to know about, or for anyone to make assumptions about. It's certainly not something for anyone to share on a public blogger forum. Just because someone is out of the closet, or just because someone is gay- does not mean they are violating that prohibition. They may not even like it, to be honest, because everyone enjoys different things in bed- this applies to heterosexuals as well.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So like I said, short, but a reminder that we should not assume anything about anyone's private bedroom behaviors. Gay or straight, in the closet or out, and this applies to me as much as it does to "a friend".&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-758592054105454074?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/758592054105454074/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/02/risque.html#comment-form' title='48 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/758592054105454074'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/758592054105454074'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/02/risque.html' title='Risque'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>48</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-3184760707349366383</id><published>2011-02-07T22:58:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2011-02-07T23:14:03.396-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='teens'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='society'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pressure'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='change'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bullying'/><title type='text'>One Other Thing</title><content type='html'>In a recent interview, found &lt;a href="http://yubeacon.com/2011/01/features/interview-ely-winkler/"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;, I was asked two very difficult questions - one is in the last post, and the other in this post. Shout out to the awesome &lt;a href="http://yubeacon.com/"&gt;YU Beacon&lt;/a&gt; and my interviewer for letting me share this. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The YU Beacon asked me for one piece of advice to give to gay Orthodox teens.  At first I was very overwhelemed, like the last question- there were so many options to answer- that it would get better, that no matter what happens I would find my way, that who I was was okay.  So the way I answered this question was by looking back. If there was one thing I would have wanted to be told in high school, what would it have been? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I answered the following:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Not to let others dictate who they are or how they should feel.  Regardless of communal pressure, familial pressures, and all the stresses in the world, every single person is an individual, and has the right to be who they are. Because in ten years, the same people making fun of them now will either have grown up enough to understand or not be in their lives any longer, so what they say really can’t define who a person is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's really not much to explain about this one. I realized the number one issue in high school, for myself and so many others- not just those struggling with being gay- is peer pressure. Not drugs or drinking, but peer pressure to fit in to society's molds, peer pressure to "belong" or be "normal", like everyone else seems to be. If someone had told me in high school that it was okay to be different, I may not have believed them- but I still would've liked to hear it.  To know that the cool kids and the jocks and the nerds- that none of those labels would matter in just a few years, because when we grow up we realize that we are who we are, regardless of what boxes others try to place us in. We find our circles, we find our friends who loves us for who we are- we're not forced into a confined world where we are subscribed to "roles" and "expectations" from everyone around us. We know that if our friends do that, they're not our friends- and at 23 years old, or even 18 years old, it gets much easier to go out and find those who will love us without wanting to change us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So that's my advice to anyone struggling in the world. Be who you are, and don't let anyone else change you.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-3184760707349366383?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/3184760707349366383/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/02/one-other-thing.html#comment-form' title='48 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/3184760707349366383'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/3184760707349366383'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/02/one-other-thing.html' title='One Other Thing'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>48</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-5040354593077909748</id><published>2011-02-03T13:42:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2011-02-03T13:54:38.746-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tolerance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='article'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='future'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>One Thing</title><content type='html'>In a recent interview that can be found &lt;a href="http://yubeacon.com/2011/01/features/interview-ely-winkler/"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;, I was asked two very difficult questions that I will go into this post and the next post. Shout out to the awesome &lt;a href="http://yubeacon.com/"&gt;YU Beacon&lt;/a&gt; and my interviewer for letting me share this. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was asked if there was one thing I could tell the Orthodox community, for all to know, what would it be.  Coming to the answer to this question took some time.  There is so much I want the Orthodox community to know- that I want to have a “normal” life like the rest of them, that just because I’m gay doesn’t mean I’m any different from them, that I plan on living an Orthodox lifestyle to the best of my ability, that being gay was not planned, expected, or asked for- but none of these were really just one thing for me to tell the community, so here’s what I went with:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt; "That being gay is not a choice. It’s not something I ever wished for, and not something I strive to push on anyone who is uncomfortable with it." &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;I did not choose to be gay or ask for it or beg for my life to be more difficult. I wished and cried for the opposite.  I simply tried to live a “normal” modern Orthodox life, like all my friends, but found myself attracted to the same sex instead of the opposite. After too much pain and struggle, I realized that just because I was gay, I was not going to allow that to stop me from living the “normal” modern Orthodox life; I just hope to do it with a man instead of a woman. Being gay, for almost all individuals struggling is not a choice- if it were, why would we choose the other path? Why would we want to go against the Torah? Why would we beg and plead for communities to accept us for who we are? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is something the Orthodox community needs to recognize, because too often people are cast aside or hurt and not accepted. Why? Because it's viewed as something that is more or less in our control, and it's not. Just like a heterosexual's attraction towards women is not in their control, so too for the homosexual, the attraction is not in their control.  For all these reasons I had to use this one thing to tell the Orthodox community- being gay is almost always not a choice. Just some food for thought.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-5040354593077909748?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/5040354593077909748/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/02/in-recent-interview-that-can-be-found.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5040354593077909748'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5040354593077909748'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/02/in-recent-interview-that-can-be-found.html' title='One Thing'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-5979983649988577889</id><published>2011-01-29T18:15:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2011-01-29T18:28:53.696-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='coming out'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='closet'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='happiness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='decisions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pressure'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><title type='text'>Coming Out, Part II</title><content type='html'>Happy weekend to you all. Part of Eshel last weekend, we discussed many issues relating to coming out and telling your family and friends about a sexual orientation. When it comes to being LGBT, especially in the Orthodox world, coming out is automatically associated with rejection, hate, and removal from a community. Many in the closet presume that coming out will isolate themselves from all they know and love in their communities.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm here to try and persuade some of you otherwise. It's really important that you come out, if you're ready, and not to be scared about other people's reactions.  I've said over and over again that everyone needs to be an individual and not worry about what other people think- but now I'm saying more than that. More often than not, my friends were upset at me for holding in my sexuality. Yes, mad at me.  They were upset I had presumed they would react negatively, and were upset that I thought just because I was gay, they would leave me. So many assured me they wouldn't- and they haven't.  In fact, many of my friends and I became closer after I came out, because I was finally open and honest with them about who I was.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not only is it important not to let the community and our friends dictate who we are and how we should behave, but we should be giving them the benefit of the doubt! We should assume and expect that they be supportive- because so many are! For those still in the closet, just know that you're friends can so often surprise you and be supportive, more than you could have ever expected.  This was a sentiment shared by many gay Orthodox people at the weekend. We all found that coming out was a much more pleasant experience than we had anticipated and people were a lot more ready to support us than they were to leave us. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Coming out is a preocess that one has to be ready for, that they feel they need to do, and that they do at their own pace and time. However, when that time comes that one feels they are ready, don't let the fear of other people's reactions stop you. More often than not, I have found, their love and support will surprise you.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-5979983649988577889?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/5979983649988577889/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/01/coming-out-part-ii.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5979983649988577889'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5979983649988577889'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/01/coming-out-part-ii.html' title='Coming Out, Part II'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-2002453422529880602</id><published>2011-01-24T19:59:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2011-01-24T20:31:18.535-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sexuality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='torah'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>Eshel</title><content type='html'>&lt;meta name="Title" content=""&gt; 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	mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; 	mso-hansi-font-family:Cambria; 	mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} &lt;/style&gt; &lt;![endif]--&gt;    &lt;!--StartFragment--&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt;This past weekend, I had the unbelievable pleasure of attending the first every LGBT Orthodox Shabbaton, known as &lt;a href="http://www.eshelonline.org/"&gt;&lt;span style="color:blue"&gt;Eshel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.  This shabbaton featured discussion of sexuality and religion, what it means to be LGBT and Jewish, and how to build and develop a community.  It was really one of the best weekends of my life. As Shabbat ended, I had the pleasure of giving a Torah thought from that week's portion, and the blessings of Havdallah. I wanted to share with you (a summary of) my words:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt;This week is Parshat Yitro, which contains the 10 commandments. While so many look at this as a burden of our religion, I look at it as the essence of our people. There’s the moral code- how to treat one’s parents, neighbors, what one can or cannot do in regards to others as well as a spiritual code- how to keep Shabbat, and honor God. It's not one or the other, but both. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt;Next, the Haftarah refers to Isaiah’s vision of God and sent by Him on a mission. Isaiah feels he’s from a nation of sin and not worthy to be talking to God, at which point an angel touches his lips with coal to purify him of sin. But what sin was he guilty of that he committed with his lips? The commentators explain that the sin of Isaiah was calling God’s nation impure. He had no right to say he was from an impure nation and God cleansed him of that sin before sending him on any mission.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt;Growing up a gay Orthodox Jew is not easy for anyone.  I just wanted to be accepted. And why? Because too many people decided it was their place to decide what does or does not constitute a sinner, like Isaiah erred. I made up my mind in senior year of high school to give it all up, and leave Judaism forever; it was the only option.  But after a year and a half of studying in Israel while ignoring my sexuality, I understood how to develop my relationship with God without worrying about one aspect of who I was. In addition, I learned that there are so many interpretations and understandings of the Torah, that no one person could ever tell what exactly the precise understanding of the text is. No one could ever claim that we are a nation of sinners, because no one could ever know that- except God. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt;When I came out two and a half years ago, I knew my sexuality was a bigger part of me than I had ever realized. However, I also realized that this balancing act of sexuality and religion was not unfamiliar.  It was just like trying to figure out how to approach God but still fit in with the rest of the world.  Life is a balancing act, especially as a Jew. We have an obligation to the Torah and we also have an obligation to every one around us.  Does this mean that one thing should override another? No. Never. Our time on Earth is not &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;just &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;about our relationship with God, or &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;just &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;about our relationship with man- it’s about both.  It’s about the balancing act of how we can do the best we can in this religion.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt;No one else in the world has the right to tell us who we are or how we should behave.  All we know how to do is our best; is balance this complicated Torah with our complexities as human beings.  Isaiah was wrong for judging God’s people, as so many like to tell us that it’s not possible to be religious and gay- but as God taught Isaiah- they have no right to tell us what is or is not possible, it's simply up to us to do the best balancing act that we can.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; color:black"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;!--EndFragment--&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;!--EndFragment--&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-2002453422529880602?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/2002453422529880602/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/01/eshel.html#comment-form' title='16 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2002453422529880602'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2002453422529880602'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/01/eshel.html' title='Eshel'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>16</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-7402908368159505845</id><published>2011-01-11T12:45:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2011-01-11T14:39:28.710-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='coming out'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rabbi'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='personal'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='YU'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>My Rabbis</title><content type='html'>Rather than go down the path of expressing my anger, frustration, sadness and struggle I thought I'd take the opportunity to discuss some of the better things that I've found being a gay Orthodox Jew- and hope to try and incorporate more happiness in my future posts. &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The first Rabbi I came out to, in high school, simply expressed his wish to make things easier for me.  No offered solutions, no discussing how to fix me, just admission, from my Rabbi, that he did not know what to do.  The man I had looked up to for so many years, didn't have the solution- and at that point I realized there really was no solution and it would just have to be a path for me to forge, and create the life that would help me find happiness. It was a huge relief to have someone I respected so much struggling with me, trying to figure things out with me, and trying to help me forge a path- because he wanted me to find truth, just as much as I wanted to find it.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;In Yeshiva in Israel, for a year and a half, one Rebbe worked with me on ignoring my sexuality, and not letting it be the only thing that occupied my mind, and replacing it with lots of Torah in order to avoid other issues. While not the best tactic, I was distracted from my "troubles" for a nice amount of time and really got a lot of learning done for the 15 months I was studying.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;When I got to Yeshiva University, I came out to my Rabbi after I had come out to my friends and family, and figured I could build another relationship and role model. And I did. This man- a very religious, learned and respected Rabbi, albeit younger than most on campus- was the most supportive a Rabbi could be- especially given that I didn't come to him for support,  just to have another close Rabbi in my life.  His first response was "Wow, I can't believe someone in your shoes is still in my Shiur, learning daily and walking around as a religious Jew".  He was awed and inspired by ME! He continued to hear my story and became a tremendous ally over my next few years on campus.  He supported my dating men, supported my right to exist in the Orthodox community as a gay man.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;None of this should be a shock, but I know for so many it is.  Many people assume every Rabbi is bad, and everyone will reject them if they are Orthodox and gay- and I wanted to show that in my experience, that wasn't the case, and I'm so happy to have all their support to this day, and don't be scared of Rabbi's- especially in 2010, some of them can surprise you.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-7402908368159505845?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/7402908368159505845/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/01/my-rabbis.html#comment-form' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/7402908368159505845'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/7402908368159505845'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/01/my-rabbis.html' title='My Rabbis'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-2508973462461413898</id><published>2011-01-07T13:37:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2011-01-08T18:39:49.079-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='personal'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>Resolution</title><content type='html'>I know it's lame to call my first post of the New Year resolution, but instead of just being angry, I would like to suggest that we all resolve a few things for the new year.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Apparently, it is common for members of my "loving" and "supportive" community to question my roommates- past and present- about living with a gay guy.  Won't it be weird? What if he, like, y'know, tries stuff? Thank God I have actual loving and supportive roommates who make me feel incredible about being in this community, where I so often feel and fear that I don't belong.  I was so nervous to move to a new community because I didn't think I'd find anyone who would live with me.  I thank my close friends in a addition to my roommates, for always making me feel part of a world that tries so hard to reject me.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But even when I think progress is being made and the community is opening it's mind a little bit, while I know it is, it's so hard to continue on when you know that behind your back, everyone asks "won't it be weird living with a gay guy". Hey world- wake up! I'm just like everyone else, with attractions only to certain people, with the ability to control my desires and needs- and not the audacity or tastelessness to hit on any living male creature.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Anyway, I'm annoyed that people still question my ability to be a normal person. But on a similar level, any friends that are supportive of me and the community also get questioned- are they gay too? Otherwise, why would they be so supportive? The notion that someone supporting a friend or a community with the need for support gets judged for trying to be a good person is one of the worst qualities of judgment.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So I challenge those in the Orthodox world- and those outside of it- to open their minds in the new year and realize that not only can I belong, but I am just like everyone else. To make the resolution to not just "be tolerant" but to accept anyone for who they are- regardless of their personal sexual preference or because of who they support.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-2508973462461413898?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/2508973462461413898/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/01/resolution.html#comment-form' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2508973462461413898'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2508973462461413898'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2011/01/resolution.html' title='Resolution'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-9204398780984619661</id><published>2010-12-27T15:49:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-12-29T17:48:43.424-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='personal'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='gender'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pressure'/><title type='text'>Gender Roles</title><content type='html'>Anyone who knows me personally, knows that one of my "favorite" topics to discuss is gender roles.  Unfortunately, especially in Orthodox Judaism, men and women are restricted to specific limitations based on what there gender's can or cannot do.  &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The Torah certainly defines specific things for men and for women to do- but over the past millenia, those laws have turned into men having specific strengths, hobbies, and persona's that women and men must fill.  While certain things may be true on a general basis, the idea that one person can or cannot do something based on their gender is ridiculous. Physical differences aside, there is no real codified law specifying gender roles.  There is however, socially created limitations for what is 'acceptable' or not for men and women to do.  There are people who do nothing but joke and make fun and perpetuate stereotypes of what a man should do and what a woman should do.  Is this acceptable? Does every man and woman meet every criteria of their social expectations? Do they even have to?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This isn't to say that men and women can't do what society has set as their "place", but it is to realize that men and women by no means &lt;b&gt;have&lt;/b&gt; to do what society tells them. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Personally, I have to mention the toll that gender roles can take on the life of someone who doesn't conform to what society believes they should or should not be doing.  Be it hobbies, interests, skills or behaviors- too often I was judged based on societies "norms" and "standards" for how a man should act and what they should be interested in.  I can tell you that not everyone fits that mold- and forcing them too, or expecting them too, or challenging them to- or making fun of them if they don't, will NOT impact who they are and how they behave. It will only hurt them. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;It is up to us to look at each other, regardless of sex, to choose our friends, hire our employees, and just to relate to each other as individuals.  Before we comment on what a man or woman can or cannot do, or who is meeting social norms appropriately or not, just think- how much does it really matter?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-9204398780984619661?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/9204398780984619661/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/12/gender-roles.html#comment-form' title='9 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/9204398780984619661'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/9204398780984619661'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/12/gender-roles.html' title='Gender Roles'/><author><name>Ely Winkler</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14816825030719694334</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='22' height='32' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s63FiG-L6f0/TRaOuVQ4czI/AAAAAAAAADc/eusLNYf44Iw/S220/photo-3.jpeg'/></author><thr:total>9</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-2053585798635197772</id><published>2010-12-22T13:14:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-12-22T13:18:02.276-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Frum'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='family'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='future'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='children'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>Monogamy (My Future)</title><content type='html'>This may be my least ‘sensical’ and most ‘opinionated’ post.  I don’t have facts, I don't have stats, I just have experience.  I started graduate school about four months ago, a profession dominated by women and gay men.  I thought I could meet some cute guys and enjoy the social experience in addition to the educational experience.  That’s definitely holding true- but I realized that almost none of the men are single. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even though a lot of them are gay, most of them are taken and in committed relationships.  Similarly, I have awesome neighbors in a committed (gay) relationship.  But this shouldn’t be possible! When I came out, or when I was struggling in high school, all I heard was- you don’t want that lifestyle- no one is truly happy, gay and lesbian individuals, specifically, don’t settle down- they live a life of misery, alone. Well I’m here to tell you, purely based of my experiences- that is not true.  Homosexuals are just as capable of building stable lives, with friends and families, just like any heterosexual couple.  For some of you this may be obvious, but for many people who grew up, like myself, hearing that homosexuals are never happy, never find stability, and definitely don’t settle down- just had to say it’s false.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I do hope to have a family one day, even a religious one.  I think that a partner and I can raise children in the Orthodox world better than many of today’s parents and couples, and hopefully half as decent as my siblings do it- they’re the most incredible parents ever, all of them.  As far as community- I know Yeshiva’s that will accept my children, and what more can I hope for? Will my child/children be made fun of? Perhaps, but what child isn’t? I also want to live in Israel, where I know other religious gay couples building families and lives. Everyone’s home lives are different- divorced parents, non-Kosher homes- all my friends growing up had their own story “in” the Orthodox world. My kids will have their own story.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-2053585798635197772?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/2053585798635197772/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/12/monogamy-my-future.html#comment-form' title='17 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2053585798635197772'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2053585798635197772'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/12/monogamy-my-future.html' title='Monogamy (My Future)'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>17</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-899737690943816990</id><published>2010-12-14T01:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2010-12-14T02:00:41.050-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pressure'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='change'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='article'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>I'm Sad and Kinda Angry</title><content type='html'>And I'll tell you why I'm sad. This is why I'm sad. &lt;a href="http://www.jewishpress.com/pageroute.do/46369"&gt;ARTICLE&lt;/a&gt;.  I will deconstruct the lies, and the most bothersome statements in the article, then end with my overall feelings. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;"The Torah is very much based on the concept of Na'aseh V'nishmah. Who you are is predicated upon your actions. If a man or a woman is in an exclusively heterosexual relationship, by Torah definition he or she is not gay."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-I'm not sure how she gets this Torah definition, but by no means does being in a heterosexual relationship define where someone's attraction actually stands. Just ask the thousands of men and women who are married or in hetero relationships, and cheating on their partners with members of the same sex.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;"Which brings me to the first obstacles for change. There are gay men who are making it their life's cause to keep people from attempting therapy, by decrying the efficacy of change therapies in the media.  They do this because of their own inability to achieve success in these therapies. "&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Her generality here is appalling. There are many who have spoken out against reparative therapy, yes, but who is this woman to just pretend that she knows each and every one of their motives? I know a few men who have had the courage to speak out against these therapies, and it's not because of their failures.  It's because they were hurt, physically molested, and emotionally destroyed in the process, and felt the need to make sure others knew of these issues before they went for this therapy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;"But when a gay man succeeds in changing his lifestyle, he is met with displeasure and even coercion from the gay community in the form of social hostility for having betrayed them. On the other hand there is a tremendous amount of support among strugglers and ex-strugglers themselves."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Excuse me, but define "succeeds in changing his lifestyle"? If, for any reason, the individual who has changed is involved in a gay community, they are going to doubt his successful change, knowing him and wondering how this was possible. Most likely because some of them have been physically intimate with this person. How can you just sit back, have someone simply say that now they have changed? She even admits herself, later in the article, that change is hard to come by and we should just accept attraction to the opposite sex whenever possible. If so, of cours the gay community is going to be confused when someone suddenly says they are straight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;She then gives the case of Reuven, a "textbook case" of a person with SSA: divorced parents, overbearing mother, submissive father, molested as a young child- as if this is the situation with every homosexual.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;"If a homosexual lifestyle were a foregone conclusion of the above personal history then Reuven would never have had a chance. Today, Reuven enjoys a healthy marriage, Baruch Hashem, to a woman he is attracted to."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-What bothers me is not the ignorant assumptions of what every homosexual's history is, but more the implication, that anyone "suffering" with "SSA" (same-sex attraction) is automatically subject to a "lifestyle".  In fact, what is a lifestyle? Because for me, who I am or am not attracted to is not a lifestyle.  It's simply one aspect of who I am. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;"Rabbi Rosenberg adds: "There's a message out there that if you have homosexual attraction you must be gay and will only be fulfilled in a homosexual life. There are sanctioned gay clubs in high schools and universities which make that claim and give legitimacy to a homosexual lifestyle."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Here's that word "lifestyle" again.  Homosexuality doesn't mean a lifestyle.  Second of all, there is no message that one attraction means a sexual orientation.  As I have said many times on this blog, sexuality is someone's to explore- it doesn't mean one thing or another.  And if it wasn't for these clubs, you can guarantee the suicide rate would go up, from people like this Rabbi Rosenberg, constantly telling these kids and teens that their feelings are not acceptable and need to be changed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;" 'They need to see that marriage is a lifestyle and not about sexual prowess like the messages propagated in the media,' says Rosenberg."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Who the hell in the media says marriage is about sexual prowess? If anything, Orthodox Judaism which prohibits premarital sex promotes getting married just for the sake of intimacy.  And again, marriage is not a lifestyle. It's one fact about a person. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;"But despite all these roadblocks, there is a great deal of change taking place out there, both in people's perceptions and in their willingness to embrace change. The road to teshuva, the road to mental health and the road to finding one's bashert are very, very long. "&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- So wait, not only does homosexuality (which is just an attraction) need to be repented for (something I discussed &lt;a href="http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/09/change-part-2.html"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;, but mental health is something that needs to be completely attained? There are many mentally unstable people who work hard and long on their lives but never achieve mental health. And is she saying homosexuality is a mental illness? Check the DSM, honey, it was removed in the 70s.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;"Alan has gone from not being attracted to women to being attracted to this amazing one (who knows of his issues), and looking forward to spending the coming years growing in his relationship with her... If we're going to wait for 100% success rate for any life change or a life altering decision, we'll never be espousing change at all."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Okay wait, so after an entire article about changing someone's life and l"lifestyle", we should never expect real change?! Are you kidding me? Let's see what would happen if this Alan wanted to marry this author's daughter. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But forgot about the ignorance, lies and presumptions, but I'm mostly saddened for parents and teens who read such articles and think the answer is right there, that it's so easy to change, that if someone's child is gay, it's not a big deal because they just need to get on this "proper path" to Teshuva and mental health, and they'll be fine.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-899737690943816990?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/899737690943816990/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/12/im-sad-and-kinda-angry.html#comment-form' title='17 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/899737690943816990'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/899737690943816990'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/12/im-sad-and-kinda-angry.html' title='I&apos;m Sad and Kinda Angry'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>17</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-2659293655197991973</id><published>2010-12-09T12:18:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-12-09T12:23:49.740-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pressure'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><title type='text'>A Superhero?</title><content type='html'>For so many people, being gay is not an option.  It doesn’t fit with their lives, with their plans, with their communities, with their friends, with their families or even with themselves.  In addition to just the generic societal values, classic Orthodox Jewish law and belief are almost entirely heterocentric.  This is what complicated my life growing up.  At the early onset of my teenage year, I began to feel different from everyone around me.  I wasn’t like the other boys for whatever the reason, and I wasn’t attracted to girls like my guy friends always talked about.  When I came to realize I was gay, at about 15, I never thought in a million years that I would ever be able to accept such a reality.  I fought and fought, until finally I realized that I was fighting no one.  That there was no one in the world that had the right to tell me that I could not be religious and gay.  So at the age of 21, I came out of the closet.  However, that was not the end of the struggle- it was the beginning of a whole new one.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My closed Orthodox community was not used to someone trying to break the mold like I was, so I found a gay Jewish community that I made my closest friends- but went home every day to my Orthodox community where I had close friends that would always love me, but had so many other people I wanted in my life, but who didn't necessarily want me in theirs, or that's how I felt.  I love my friends in the my Jewish community and I love my friends in the gay community- and I ended up creating for myself a double lifestyle.  Many people, especially those in the closet- even create fake facebook pages for finding gay men and the gay events for them to attend, all under a pseudonym so they never have to come out, while still having their other profiles with their other friends and their more public lives.  I’ve heard it described as a superhero syndrome- one world by day, another world by night.  To a certain extent this is how I felt for a very long time.  There was the part of me that went out with my gay friends and he was this very different person from the man that hung out with his straight friends.  For me, and many people in the shoes of growing up in a heteronormative world, but attempting to be true to themselves and create and supportive LGBTQ community to be part of, there is a daily balancing act.  Which group of friends do I hang out with tonight? Who haven’t I seen in a longer time? Which identity do I want to assume today?  The important part is integrating the identities within ones self, until you’re comfortable enough on the inside to make the right decisions on the outside.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why does one have to choose? Why does someone have to feel so pulled between two worlds? In my life, thank God, the choice has not been too difficult as I create that community that accepts gay Jews, while still upholding the religious values and being a part of the Orthodox community I grew up and and know and love.  This way I don't have to feel like I'm living a double life anymore.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-2659293655197991973?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/2659293655197991973/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/12/superhero.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2659293655197991973'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2659293655197991973'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/12/superhero.html' title='A Superhero?'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-4694611477886324901</id><published>2010-12-01T10:09:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-12-01T11:08:04.530-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='coming out'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='closet'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='dating'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sexuality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>The other side of the fence</title><content type='html'>I know I'm on the other side. And a good friend argued in his post &lt;a href="http://gayingoldersgreen.blogspot.com/2010/11/come-on-in-waters-lovely.html"&gt; HERE &lt;/a&gt; that it's easy to be on the other side looking in, which is true, but there is so much more to say.  I know I represent a minority, not majority, of gay Orthodox Jews who have chosen to come out and be honest about their true feelings.  But I don’t look back and judge those in the closet, and I empathize with their plight as I too have been there. But a situation of someone older than me, who has been struggling longer than me and who is in a more commitment-prone life stage, in a relationship with a guy but still dating girls does upset me, and I think I have that right to be upset by that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some say coming out is one of the most selfish things a person can do- and I agree.  But in my case, I think it was selfish and also extremely selfless.  Because there is a huge part of me that is so happy to be out, solely because of the impact and influence I can have on others.  Call it haughty, call it egocentric,call it stupid, but I believe in inspiring people.  And when I know people doing the more difficult and complex thing, by pretending to be something they are not for years longer than I have, I get upset. And no, they don’t have to come out- but think about the girls who meet the man of their dreams, but for come reason this man can’t love them back.  And he gets frustrated that he still hasn’t found the right one.  And he’s in “Shidduch Crisis” because he can’t meet his true soul mate. There’s a reason for that! Because it’s not going to be someone of the opposite gender.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I never push anyone out. If someone doesn’t want to come out of the closet, that is their right and choice.  But for someone to continue dating girls, while in a relationship with a man “on the DL” is not fair to anyone involved, especially not the person themselves.  And if someone does come out, it doesn’t mean that they can’t pursue relationships with a person of the opposite gender. Since I’ve come I have built many new relationships with women, and with every one of them I do think about what my feelings are and if they’re platonic or something more.  Because no matter what I “identify” as, I know that I still have the right to decide what's best for me.  And even in the closet, it’s one thing to know you have a strong relationship with a man and be okay with that, but don’t be scared to have feelings for a girl- and if you do follow through with them, but not at the same time you have stronger feelings for a man. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If a homosexual is giving himself the opportunity to be in a heterosexual relationship, that’s great, but give yourself the true opportunity to be invested in one relationship- be it a homosexual one or a heterosexual one. Don’t pretend you can pull off both.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-4694611477886324901?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/4694611477886324901/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/12/other-side-of-fence.html#comment-form' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4694611477886324901'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4694611477886324901'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/12/other-side-of-fence.html' title='The other side of the fence'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-8909319800523945129</id><published>2010-11-28T22:20:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-11-28T22:29:14.348-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='change'/><title type='text'>Power</title><content type='html'>Something that I have been learning in Grad School all year is the concept of “power”- what it means, is it good? Is it bad? Who has power? What determines if someone has power?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's vital to recognize that power comes from all different places.  Power based on social status, power because of race, gender, sexuality, your appearance, your behavior, your mannerisms. And given that, everyone has power. Everyone has power, everyone determines who they let influence them, and who they, in turn, influence.  Power can be good or bad- depending on how a person decides to use it.  But the key thing to realize is that everyone has power.  Every person in this world. Everyone reading this blog. The only question is what will you do with your power?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You have tens or hundreds or thousands of people looking at your Facebook, or your Twitter, or many of the other social networking sites today.  The web is a tremendous tool of power.  What do you have to say on those sites? Is it fun? Is it serious? Is it self-centered? Is it depressing? Because people check your pages, people get your updates and they care about you and what you have to say- you can influence their thoughts, help create change, and can do whatever you want in the world, all by using your power. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you want to make people laugh- do it! Speak your mind so no one will doubt who you are or what your intentions are.  Sieze the opportunities that this century provides us to make change. I know this sounds cheesy and like a youth-group lecture, but I was stunned when I realized how much power if held by every person in the world, and how few people choose to utilize it.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-8909319800523945129?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/8909319800523945129/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/11/power.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/8909319800523945129'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/8909319800523945129'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/11/power.html' title='Power'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-3291801198243060696</id><published>2010-11-21T12:05:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-11-21T12:25:36.482-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='teens'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bullying'/><title type='text'>Bullying</title><content type='html'>I wanted to post one more post about bullying before moving off the topic.  Since the video was released just over a week ago, I've had the time to hear and read a lot of responses to what we posted.  Also, bullying was covered in a recent episode of Glee, and there has been a lot of conversation sparked about that- whether or not it was done correctly. What I'm going to say is definitely not something that everyone agrees with, it's just my own opinion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bullying is wrong.  It's wrong for any one person to feel they have the right to put down another person, physically or verbally- there is no excuse.  This can be especially traumatizing in the elementary and high school years when someone is at the pivotal moments of defining who they are in life.  Glee did two things- pointed out that gay bullying was wrong, and &lt;b&gt;implied&lt;/b&gt; that a bully is just projecting their inner issues onto the person that they bully. It's not true that every gay basher is gay, although it does happen, and that's the scenario the show chose to present.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now considering that bullying is wrong across the board, an issue that has been raised is why is gay bullying so much worse? Everyone gets picked on in high school, and everyone manages to get through it. Everyone is bashed in one way or another and everyone needs to learn how to cope in life, so why is gay bashing "a hate crime"? Does the world spoil and protect gay people like they're children?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My answer, yes. The world does spoil gay people. The world does promote gay bullying as worse than any other form of oppression.  But I don't think there's anything wrong with that.  The number of suicides and depression rates amongst LGBTQ teens is higher than any other teen population.  Very often, being gay is a struggle that causes enough hurt and pain internally.  When you add bullying to the issues already facing an LGBTQ teen, it only intensifies the terrible trauma they can go through. So again, yes, I thin gay bullying is an issue that gets a lot of attention and I think people who are gay do get protected and coddled a bit from society. But I think it's all for the right reasons, and completely appropriate.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-3291801198243060696?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/3291801198243060696/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/11/bullying.html#comment-form' title='17 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/3291801198243060696'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/3291801198243060696'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/11/bullying.html' title='Bullying'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>17</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-5488342032058292443</id><published>2010-11-14T15:29:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-11-14T15:53:50.320-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='video'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sexuality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bullying'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='suicide'/><title type='text'>It Gets Better</title><content type='html'>As many of you know, this week the gay Orthodox Jewish community released a video following Dan Savage's "It Gets Better" series, a statement from youtubers, celebrities, politicians and anyone nation-wide in response to the recent rash of teen suicides.  You can find the video &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytzzq9rwhQA"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I didn't think I would need to blog about the video, but after much encouragement I think I will.  The video truly took everyone by surprise when 24 hours turned yielded about 10,000 hits. This video is not about what's right and wrong in religion.  It's not about what underlying agenda the members of the video are pushing or what statements are juxtaposed to others.  It's about the honesty, the struggle, and the courage that so many members of the so many different communities have gone through. Rumor has it that Yeshiva boys are sending the video around as a joke- and that's exactly what we would want.  Because for every 9 boys laughing at the our pain, there is one of their friends crying, and hopefully realizing for themselves that it will get better.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please share the link, and maybe this blog, with anyone you think could find it useful. Together we can save lives.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-5488342032058292443?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/5488342032058292443/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/11/it-gets-better.html#comment-form' title='16 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5488342032058292443'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5488342032058292443'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/11/it-gets-better.html' title='It Gets Better'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>16</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-5812918239050376365</id><published>2010-11-08T14:53:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-11-08T15:23:34.896-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='decisions'/><title type='text'>Two Roads</title><content type='html'>Recently I have been faced with different decisions  which all seemed like viable options- I wished I could pick them all.  How does someone know when a path is right or wrong? Is there something that is necessarily right or wrong?  How does a person decide what path to take when faced with two options?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What I tried to do was choose whatever would be best in the long run.  I wanted to choose what would be best down the road and stick with it, remembering all the reasons I chose one path over another.  Not only that, but when making a decision for the future, I try to own that decision.  I don't pick a path and constantly talk to others about how I wish I had done something else or maybe the other path would have been better.  Because while that may be true, there's nothing you can do to switch paths once you've set a road in motion.  I'm all for keeping options open and a person with the freedom to choose whatever is good for them, but there are times when you can't change something that's been set in motion (and to not contradict myself- sexuality is NOT one of those things, it is fluid and you can change paths even once you've chosen one).  It's important not to foster doubt or constantly be confused over what I should be doing in my life, but instead understand what I've chosen and even when I doubt it, assure myself that I am happy with the road I am on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When you're traveling on one path, it's only natural to wonder what life would be like had you made a different decision. However, there's nothing wrong with admitting that there was another path that could've been right for you.  Just don't drive yourelf crazy wondering what if, and be happy with what is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note: this post has nothing to do with my decision to come out or not, I'm completely sure that being gay and religious was the right thins for me.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-5812918239050376365?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/5812918239050376365/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/11/two-roads.html#comment-form' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5812918239050376365'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5812918239050376365'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/11/two-roads.html' title='Two Roads'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-8353876642766899892</id><published>2010-10-25T22:51:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2012-01-24T15:01:50.529-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='coming out'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Frum'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>The Third Option</title><content type='html'>&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;Hey, I would like to clarify a point I've made in the past, but that doesn't seem to be sticking with my readers.&lt;br /&gt;I'm not obsessed with marriage. I discuss it so often because it comes up so often.  My society, the Orthodox Jewish community is obsessed with (heteronormative) marriage, so I feel the need to discuss it fairly often.  Thankfully, I have learned how to have a good outlook and stay positive about the issue although it comes up almost daily how a man should marry a woman.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, for most of my life I have been a very black-and-white person.  Things were either one way or the other, with little room for gray area in between.  I have tried to avoid that behavior and leave room for new ideas in my life, but I don't always succeed. I'm open to hearing that the only way for me to be happy is to give up being religious or to give up being gay. However, I promise you I've thought about it.  I promise you I've gone through the motions of giving up one or the other- and neither makes sense to me.  I know you might not understand my desire to remain religious, and I don't understand it so clearly either, but I know it's right for me. I also know it's right for me to be gay.  So there they are- two areas that conflict. A black and a white. So I chose the gray.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Two years ago a friend came to me, struggling, wondering what he should do with the struggle of religion and homosexuality.  We discussed the options and he said- "but if I come out, I have to give up my &lt;i&gt; Frumkeit, &lt;/i&gt; (religiousness) and I can't do that."  Suddenly it dawned on me. Who said so? Who said that if you are homosexual you have to give up religion and who says if you're religious you have to give up homosexuality? God says certain things, the laws and their interpretations says certain things, society says certain things but why can't I say something for myself?  There had to be another option, I couldn't pick one or the other.  So two weeks later I came out of the closet and chose the third option- to be a Frum gay Jew.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-8353876642766899892?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/8353876642766899892/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/10/third-option.html#comment-form' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/8353876642766899892'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/8353876642766899892'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/10/third-option.html' title='The Third Option'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-9013087597033825561</id><published>2010-10-21T14:41:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-10-21T14:59:57.364-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>"Chupah"</title><content type='html'>Something on my mind almost daily is why I am gay.  Was I born that way? Did I develop that way naturally? Did outside influences play a role in my development into a gay person.  I ask this not because it plagues me a hurts me. I just think about it generically, because I know regardless of the answer that I am gay, for whatever reason. I do ask this from a religious perspective.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why would God create someone who was gay if he commands us not to be gay?  That makes little sense, and every Rabbi and Torah scholar today agrees- it makes no sense, but yet, it's true.  Did He want us to go through so much hardship and pain trying to figure out our lives?  I do think He played a role in my development as a gay person and I do think He loves me today, regardless of what laws in the Torah I do or do not uphold. Something that hits me in this religion is at every &lt;i&gt; Bris &lt;/i&gt; , curcumcision "party" eight days after a baby boy is born, and many times over the course of a Jewish child's lifetime the congregation and community constantly say the phrase &lt;i&gt; "L'Torah, Chupah Umaasim Tovim" &lt;/i&gt;,  Bible study, a wedding (canopy), and good deeds. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My life, and the life of every Orthodox Jewish child, and even non-Orthodox, revolves around getting married.  It's built in to our lives from the first ritual- a baby naming or circumcision- and repeated throughout. If God created me as gay, how could He also create a religion that revolves around marriage in the traditional sense of man and woman? I don't get a &lt;i&gt; Chupah &lt;/i&gt; , a wedding canopy and I'm learning to be okay with that, even though it hurts.  But the constant need to mention it in to my every day life, culture and existence, makes it hurt so much more.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-9013087597033825561?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/9013087597033825561/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/10/chupah.html#comment-form' title='24 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/9013087597033825561'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/9013087597033825561'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/10/chupah.html' title='&quot;Chupah&quot;'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>24</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-3273599177608051489</id><published>2010-10-14T00:55:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-10-14T01:11:57.495-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='article'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Halacha'/><title type='text'>A controversy</title><content type='html'>For those who are unaware, the New Jersey local Jewish paper, The Jewish Standard, ran a marriage announcement of two Jewish men from the local area who planned to wed about three weeks ago.  A few days following the announcement they issued an apology and announced they would no longer run same-sex announcements in order not to offend anyone.  A few days after that announcement, they announced that they will reconsider their ban on same-sex announcements, meet with community leaders and get back to us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First of all, the whole situation was ridiculous.  The Jewish Standard, a paper I have been reading my entire life, has never avoided issues that may offend members of the community.  They run ads for non-Kosher restaurants, they run articles about sex, abuse, alcoholism, drugs, and even a few about sexuality. And my favorite- they celebrate every celebrity who's mother's first husband's father's cousin might have been a Jew. On their second page. &lt;br /&gt;So they published a same-sex announcement. Without going into the politics of the Jewish Standard and how they terribly handled the situation by jumping to apologize then jumping to retract the apology, the focus here is on the reaction of those who opposed the announcement. Where are they when the publication runs other controversial things like intermarriage announcements? Why is it that only for this issue did people feel the need to pressure the Standard so much that they issued an apology? The real issue here is homophobia. There's a fine line between Halacha and Homophobia (as I have written about before), and just because someone is "scared" of "gay" making its way into their society, doesn't mean they get to run behind the Torah and claim that the announcement goes against their religion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, I'm pretty confident the paper will never get back to us. They took the issue off the table by saying they haven't made a decision- but I'm assuming, and wait for them to prove my assumption wrong, that they will not be running any same sex announcements anytime in the near future.  They'll just avoid issuing a statement that says they won't do it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;PS- please check out a new frum gay blog from a friend in London called &lt;a href="http://gayingoldersgreen.blogspot.com/"&gt;"Gay in Golders Green"&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-3273599177608051489?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/3273599177608051489/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/10/controversy.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/3273599177608051489'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/3273599177608051489'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/10/controversy.html' title='A controversy'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-238073949653568402</id><published>2010-10-06T10:04:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-10-06T10:54:48.919-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='depression'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bullying'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='suicide'/><title type='text'>Blog-a-versary</title><content type='html'>Today is the one year anniversary of starting this blog, of blogging, of the tremendous success I've felt with the ability to reach thousands of people worldwide.  I could spend the post discussing the blog, why I write, what I plan to write about in the future, but there's something much more important to discuss.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Raymond Chase, 19, Rhode Island. Tyler Clementi, 18, New Jersey. Asher Brown, 13, Texas. Billy Lucas, 15, Indiana. Seth Walsh, 13, California Cody J. Barker, 17, Wisconsin Felix Sacco, 17, Massachusetts Harrison Chase Brown, 15, Colorado Caleb Nolt, 14, Indiana Ethan Beyers, 18, Indiana. Carl Joseph Walker- Hoover 11, Jaheem Herrera, 11. Ryan Halligan, 12.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The LGBT community has lost far too many people in the recent weeks. Various states, situations and ages, these kids have all been hurt and too scared of the world around them.  They were bullied, teased, taunted, and couldn't handle it anymore; they took their own lives.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As someone who has suffered through depression, I understand the feeling of not having a choice, of feeling trapped with no way out  and just wanting it all to go away.  I was taunted for not meeting the traditional masculinity standards and wanted to not wake up in the morning, just so it would all go away and the pain would stop. From what is known, these kids were barely suffering from any mental illness that had been diagnosed.  They were just kids, trying to live their lives, do what they enjoyed, and be who they were.  But society wouldn't let them.  Their peers felt the need to constantly mock them for not living up to traditional gender roles, or fitting "social norms". &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let the loss of such young people, with their entire lives ahead of them be a wake up call to you. Whether you're gay, straight, closeted, out, male, female- let their stories give you the strength never to be silent, and support those suffering and who have been put down too many times for just being who they are.  Make sure your friends a family know that you support a person's right to be heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or transgender. Or whatever they want to be. Never sit by while a friend gets bullied and never be silent when you hear of gay bashing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you're thinking about hurting yourself reach out to a friend, contact the anonymous phone line of the Trevor Project, but just know IT DOES GET BETTER. I've been there, and trust me, you will make it.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-238073949653568402?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/238073949653568402/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/10/blog-versary.html#comment-form' title='13 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/238073949653568402'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/238073949653568402'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/10/blog-versary.html' title='Blog-a-versary'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>13</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-2552491714419069267</id><published>2010-09-29T15:42:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-09-29T15:56:48.529-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='family'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='love'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>Why I will not marry a woman</title><content type='html'>I thought this was clear from the 50+ posts in the past, but based on a recent comment I shall clarify.  I do not intend, as the person I am today, to marry a woman.  I say today because I never know what kind of things will happen in my life and one day I may wake up and be straight.  But odds are slim.  So no, I do not plan on marrying a woman.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The way I love men is not something explainable, you can't put in to words what it's like when you have such a strong love, and that's what I have felt for men, not women.  My best friends are girls/women who I think are the most amazing people  the world and I love them so much, but not as much as I love men, I can't no matter how long I've known them or how many hours I've spent with them, it's not the same as my love for people of the same gender.  I hope that makes sense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For that reason I'm not marrying a woman. But it has been suggested that that is not a good enough reason- that I should just suck it up and follow the Torah's law and marry heterosexually and build a family (not going into how the physical relationship would or would not work), and do things the "natural way".  So yes, while plenty of men do that I do not think it's fair for a woman to love me with all her heart while I constantly feel something lacking, and that I can't be as close to her as I feel to a man.  I can't imagine putting a woman through the hell of having a husband who's not totally there. It's not fair to HER. So even if I wanted to "get over it" and just pretend like everything is normal, I think that would be even more selfish than coming out and living my own life, it's even worse to ruin someone else's.  It's wrong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I marry a man is something different and another topic, and something I still have not decided for myself at this point in time.  But back to the point, no, I am not planning to marry a woman.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-2552491714419069267?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/2552491714419069267/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/09/why-i-will-not-marry-woman.html#comment-form' title='10 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2552491714419069267'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2552491714419069267'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/09/why-i-will-not-marry-woman.html' title='Why I will not marry a woman'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>10</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-8915259246679641203</id><published>2010-09-21T14:41:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-09-21T15:07:01.176-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rabbi'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='repentance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='holiday'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>Whaddya Want From Me</title><content type='html'>As a post- Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur post, the Jewish holidays about starting a clean slate in a new year, a questions that has been plaguing me for a while comes to mind.  What does God want from me? As a gay Orthodox Jew- does he want me to be alone for the rest of my life? Does he want me to go through endless hours of therapy that are highly unlikely to succeed? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And bigger than this- as I prayed on Yom Kippur I thought- what does He want from us? As a Jewish nation in the 21st century with technologies beyond people's wildest imaginations and capabilities, sexuality and sexual promiscuity rampant and dominating our cultures worldwide, what does He want from us? Should we shelter ourselves in the depths of Brooklyn and Lakewood and Bnei Brak, or do we encourage ourselves to grow and learn from the world around us, and challenge ourselves to remain faithful to God in a world that whose basic principles seem to go against everything Judaism holds dear?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Torah, and more specifically- it's laws as decided by the Rabbi's- were decided in a completely different society and culture. PRayers were written for a different population to say.  Unfortunately, today, our leaders don't feel close enough to understanding laws to allow law to be brought truly into a modern context or change things that were decided hundreds, if not thousands of years ago. I'm not calling for change of the Torah, or the laws uphelp by the Rabbi's.  But I am calling for an understanding- and the room to believe, that not every single thing decided so long ago is relevant today.  And of certain people feel strongly that God wants XYZ, while the community has been holding ABC, it's their right to do XYZ.  Not just because they want to, but because they feel it's what God meant for the world today.  Because every law made by a Rabbi is simply a Rabbi deciding what GOd wants from the world today, and we all listen to the Rabbis.  But when it comes down to it- no one has divine inspiration today, no one talks to God, and therefore no one can command something of another as far as their relationship with God and upholding of the Torah.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I stopped in the middle of my Yom Kippur prayers, closed my eyes and said "God, we don't know what to do.  We haven't had a divine inspiration in thousands of years, and we, as your nation, are just trying to figure out what you want from us in this world today- the 21st century.  Forgive your people for the ways they may have misinterpreted your laws or did not uphold what you intended, we are all just trying our best- and will continue to do so."&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-8915259246679641203?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/8915259246679641203/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/09/whaddya-want-from-me.html#comment-form' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/8915259246679641203'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/8915259246679641203'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/09/whaddya-want-from-me.html' title='Whaddya Want From Me'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-5536705150585169121</id><published>2010-09-07T23:07:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-09-07T23:27:09.778-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='happiness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='repentance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='change'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='holiday'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='God'/><title type='text'>Change, part 2</title><content type='html'>Here's a post a lot of you have been waiting for, for a while.  I beg your indulgence and for your respect and thoughtfulness in posting comments, especially the anonymous ones.  I will not be responding to comments.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The organization Jews Offering New Alternatives to Healing (formerly Homosexuality), known as JONAH, is a very controversial subject in the gay Jewish community, but more so in the broad Jewish community, especially the religious ones.  The first line of defense for many children who speak to their parents about homosexuality is JONAH.  This is for numerous reasons, one, they advertise in prominent Jewish papers that many parents read, and two, because the last thing a religious Jewish parent, or many non-religious Jewish parents want is a gay child.  However, often the parents don't know the facts before sending their children to such an organization.  I respect those who have worked hard within the JONAH program, and those who have come through it successfully, and know and believe that change is possible for specific individuals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, and I will only speak for myself, I feel it would do more harm than good. The reason I never posted about this before is because I never went through the system, so I felt inappropriate commenting on it. However, I currently find myself close with many people who have gone through the system- most unsuccessfully, some successfully- and I feel I know more about certain things.  Without going into detail, there are multiple aspects of the JONAH program that would make me hate myself more than love myself, and it's taken me too long to get to this point in my life for me to go back and erase what I've accomplished.  Further, I've seen people go through this therapy for ten years, and still not come out "healed", and that's not something I'm willing to risk.  I'm pretty damn gay, and I know it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I purposely did not go in to detail about their therapies and I won't.  But lastly, I have to take up one issue in this time of repentance for the Jewish people.  JONAH claims that they are true repentance for homosexuality.  That it is any gay Jews obligation, in this time of year, to repent- and the only way to repent is to join their organization.  This is false. This is wrong. This is not true, nor is it their program director's decision as to what God believes is repentance and what is not. That is between a Jew and God, not with other people in between making decisions.  I believe, that with a full heart I go to God every year and ask for repentance on how I have served Him inappropriately and the wisdom to serve Him only properly in the future. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;May we all be blessed with a year of true happiness.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-5536705150585169121?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/5536705150585169121/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/09/change-part-2.html#comment-form' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5536705150585169121'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5536705150585169121'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/09/change-part-2.html' title='Change, part 2'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-6538983336774860253</id><published>2010-09-02T19:54:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-09-02T20:11:43.146-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='coming out'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Frum'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sexuality'/><title type='text'>The Secret Life</title><content type='html'>Hey, I'm really excited it's September, b/c I have at least 5 topics to discuss, some revolving around the new year, some revolving around gay life in general, and, our favorite, the struggle of homosexuality and Orthodoxy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I get facebook friend requests almost daily- not from people I know, but from generic, and clearly fake names representing fake Facebook accounts. Who are these people and why do they friend me? They're almost all religious Jews, who are hiding in the closet. Some young, some old, some married, some single- and they create these fake accounts in order to have an outlet for their sexual identity.  Some are very flamboyant, openly "liking" gay porn sites or porn stars, others are just trying to exist and friend religious gay Jews that they've heard of so they don't feel so alone.  I get frustrated easily with these individuals because I feel that they're only making their lives harder by creating a separate facebook. Not only do they have to live in secret that they are attracted to members of the same gender, but they literally create a secret identity- a whole other person, as an outlet for their secrets.  They're teasing themselves with a life they wish they could lead.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some of them are creepy- simply looking for sex and don't know how to go about finding it- and feel the need to stalk facebook for the gay Jews and their friends.  Others are curious as to what the gay Jewish world is like and what it can provide them.  It is a useful tool as a gateway to the gay Jewish world, meeting new people, facebook chatting to get an idea of what openly gay Jews are like, and perhaps meet some of us and slowly become more comfortable with who they are.  Unfortunately, many just resign to the fact that they will always be alone, suffering, in pain.  I have come to understand recently that they may  not choose to be in the closet, its just that they cannot ever be gay, even thought they know they are attracted to people of the same gender.  They know it, but coming out or admitting it openly is not an option- it's just not an option.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I salute those who have the courage to be "not just another email address" and empathize with those who still feel the need to hide behind an anonymous name, and feel legitimately badly for those who feel they don't have an option- and challenge them to just try and question that thinking.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-6538983336774860253?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/6538983336774860253/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/09/secret-life.html#comment-form' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6538983336774860253'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6538983336774860253'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/09/secret-life.html' title='The Secret Life'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-7441609636642266303</id><published>2010-08-19T21:22:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-08-19T21:36:21.492-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='coming out'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sexuality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>One for August</title><content type='html'>So this month I decided to take a bit of a break from blogging. We're all entitled to some vacation. But mostly because the end of July was a bit intense for me, and I needed some space. I needed to be free of judgements and comments and criticisms and just the freedom to be me. But I did want to express a few things.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the topic of being judged and criticized- it's difficult to be in a position like I am, but there are more than just me out there in this position. We're all so scared that anything we do is going to be criticized by everyone else, and even if we say "forget it, I'm just going to be me", we still get scrutinized because there seems to be very little room for independence within the closed society that many of us live.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There should be the opportunity for someone to say, "I'm frum, but I struggle with certain issues, but I still wish to be a part of the Orthodox community".  A few years back, someone told me "It's impossible to be frum and gay, that's not what Hashem wants".  And I think that's what propelled me forward.  Because from that day on, I made sure that everyone knew who I was, and that I'm proud to be who I am. Over the past month I have learned the names of over seven frum individuals that have begun to accept who they are and I applaud them for having the courage to not be just an anonymous e-mail address, or a fake facebook name.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because whether or not the Torah prohibits a specific sexual activity, many of us have to be who we are, because there is little or no choice in the matter. And sometimes it doesn't make sense, or it doesn't fit perfectly with Halacha, or it may not be the ideal situation for an Orthodox Jew, but it's the reality, and until many people out there accept it, the more frustration, anguish, pain and suffering will be imposed on tormented souls. And I guarantee that that's not what God wants.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-As I have said on facebook, I will no longer respond to anonymous commenters asking questions, if you have a question for me, feel free to email me. comments and intriguing thoughts are always welcome below.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-7441609636642266303?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/7441609636642266303/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/08/one-for-august.html#comment-form' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/7441609636642266303'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/7441609636642266303'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/08/one-for-august.html' title='One for August'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-2544114140700543553</id><published>2010-07-29T09:50:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-07-29T10:48:17.650-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Frustration</title><content type='html'>I'm upset for a number of reasons. One, because I have other topics to write about. Two, because I have to address people who think they know all about my life even though they've never experienced it, and three because people can't be happy with small accomplishments. I'm mostly responding to this- &lt;a href="http://torahmusings.com/2010/07/statement-of-principles-why-i-havent-signed.html"&gt;Hirhurim&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can't explain the thought process of other people who are unhappy with the Statement of Principles (&lt;a href="http://statementofprinciplesnya.blogspot.com/"&gt;now in Hebrew!&lt;/a&gt;) issued and signed by over seventy Orthodox leaders  and the list is growing.  Those who haven't signed have said as follows: Don't ask, don't tell. We don't need to know who in a congregation is gay, and who is straight, all that matters in a Shul is that a person is Jewish. I would ordinarily agree on a fundamental level, but realistically, Rabbi's, that's not true! It's not true that no one judges in a Shul, and it's not true that a person can just grow old and single and no one will try and set them up other than their parents. And even if a few of this person's friends know that they are gay and word doesn't spread (not possible, but let's just say) those friends will watch the person in Shul, and wonder if the Rabbi will accept him, or if he belongs in the congregation. Further, when I've been in congregations and I wasn't out, I felt very uncomfortable taking honors like everyone else. I just felt like I didn't belong. This statement assures me that regardless of the congregation, if the Rabbi has signed on I know that I belong, and I feel comfortable just being like everyone else.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, enough of this don't ask don't tell. Don't tell me that the only people who need to know are my parents and maybe a few friends. You know as well as I do that everyone's Shabbos table revolves around who was in Shul that is single and can be set up, or who is dating and who is not and why they don't want to be set up. It's much easier for a person to say "I'm gay" then it is to lie, a million times over, about why they're not ready to date, which, by the age of 25 basically a person runs out of excuses.&lt;br /&gt;Number one pet peeve, stated both in Hirhurim and by R' Twersky at the infamous Shiur- as the line that caused me to walk out in the middle- that coming out is only a result and product of Western culture and the 21st century. Ifrst of all, historically that's just not true. And I will tell you from a personal standpoint, I did not come out because Western culture made it an option.  I came out because I was miserable in the closet. I felt empty, alone, like I had no purpose, and like my life would never become anything worthwhile, and I hated myself. And since I came out things have only, Baruch Hashem, improved. So don't tell me why I came out, and why coming out is not necessary for a gay person to do and they should just keep it to themselves.  You get to rub your marriages, perfect families and children and heterosexual dating stories in my face every day, I'm allowed to tell you why I don't have those things like everyone else. You get to say on facebook you're interested in women, I'm allowed to say I'm interested in men. It's as simple as that. Until everyone who is heterosexual keeps "don't ask don't tell" gay people shouldn't have to either.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-2544114140700543553?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/2544114140700543553/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/07/frustration.html#comment-form' title='80 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2544114140700543553'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2544114140700543553'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/07/frustration.html' title='Frustration'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>80</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-6164565852820180608</id><published>2010-07-26T00:14:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-07-26T14:39:30.251-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rabbi'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tolerance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Frum'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pride'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='torah'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>Statement</title><content type='html'>For those of you that haven't seen it, (what are you- living under a rock?): &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://statementofprinciplesnya.blogspot.com/"&gt;http://statementofprinciplesnya.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had a lot of emotions racing through me when this was released- I read through each paragraph with a fine-toothed comb, and to see names of many Rebbeim who I admire and respect on the signature list, and started to tear up a bit.  Then I shared with the world.  I am happy. I am proud. I feel like I finally belong in places where, honestly, I was scared to enter because of how the sommunity would judge me.  But now I know that the Orthodox community- or at least their leaders are no long judging, and are willing to accept the struggles of a homosexual in the Orthodox world, and understand the difficult things we go through.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Portions that struck me in a good way- gay Jews have the right to belong to a congregation and make it their community, gay Jews have the right to refrain from seeking out reparative therapy if they feel it would be more harmful than helpful, children of gay couples should be accepted fully, and that gay Jews should not be encouraged to marry members of the opposite gender. All these values that are unfortunately not approached properly in other communities, and that many Rabbi's do not believe belong in the Orthodox world for whatever reason. But everyone on that list does believe it.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When asked what the next step after the YU Panel should be- this is it. This is the step that was/is needed for the gay Orthodox Jewish population.  Awareness, sensitivity and acceptance into the communities we have always called home.  All I wish for now is more and more Orthodox leaders to sign on in order to continue the strength displayed by the Orthodox community in releasing this statement. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And for those who asked, I wouldn't change anything about this letter. Not. One. Thing.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-6164565852820180608?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/6164565852820180608/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/07/statement.html#comment-form' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6164565852820180608'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6164565852820180608'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/07/statement.html' title='Statement'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-6539099403862215903</id><published>2010-07-18T13:05:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-07-18T13:23:37.260-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='coming out'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Frum'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>Community</title><content type='html'>A few months ago, I spoke about how sometimes a person gives up part of themselves for a specific cause, if they want to.  I wanted to expand upon that, to explain that I am not the only person.  Something that I am only coming to grips with now, is that this is not only my fight, my cause, my passion.  There are so many more out there- just like me- who are struggling, or even who have come to terms with who they are- but still feel passionately about bringing the issue of sexuality or even homosexuality to the forefront of the Orthodox world.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are many- and we are finally giving each other strength to show the Jewish world that we are here.  I know that I do not advocate for someone to come out- ever- if they don't feel it's right for them.  But so many ARE coming out, and have been coming out, and this is OUR cause.  This is our cause to work on the best way we can, to try and be Frum and gay, to try and be proud of who we are after years and years of being to scared to speak up- or even specifically being told to keep silent. I'm not for an all gay Orthodox community, b/c the Jewish religion is not about separating and branching off (no matter how many jokes you want to make about break-away shuls), Judaism is about community and I, for one, do not want to leave the world I grew up, and feel part of, just because it may not be the most comfortable at this time.  I will fight to stay in the world I love and in the community I've always belonged to because it feels right.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am not alone, and I realize now I never was, ever. None of us are alone, just because we feel alienated, we are making strides every day for homosexuals to be accepted (I do NOT say permitted) in the Orthodox community.  I love all of you out there, fighting with me to understand what it means to be Frum and gay.  And good luck.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-6539099403862215903?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/6539099403862215903/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/07/community.html#comment-form' title='9 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6539099403862215903'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6539099403862215903'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/07/community.html' title='Community'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>9</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-8397273355558856092</id><published>2010-07-07T20:18:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-07-07T21:52:05.050-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='change'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='torah'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Halacha'/><title type='text'>Change, part 1</title><content type='html'>As part of my summer fellowship, we've been discussing the limits and definitions of change within the Orthodox world.  What should change? What shouldn't? Why do certain laws adapt to the times we live in, while others are stuck in their original textual form?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's important for me to realize that I don't have the answer, I don't know what is allowed to be changed or not changed in Halacha.  I do question daily, however, what God wants from his people living in a modern world.  As far as the world as a whole, change is key. Change is part of life- growing, evolving, opening new chapters and finishing old ones.  Communities evolve, culture evolves, society evolves, towns, cities, countries, all grow to meet the new standards and change the way of life.  So why can't the Jewish/Orthodox community? Why do we and many of our leaders insist on being stuck in the 20th century while the world moves into the 21st? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Having grown up in an Orthodox mind frame, I understand and believe that the Jewish community puts up boundaries and avoids change in order to weed out the perceived "bad" from the world around them.  However, there is no form of clear definition as to  what constitutes good and bad in the world around us.  I'm not talking just about sexuality, but women's rights and slavery and all these things that the Torah seems to be clear on, but don't make any sense in a modern context.  Again, I never advocate for change of existent Torah law. But that doesn't mean progress and growth and slow change can not occur. It can, and the Torah can be brought into the 21st century, like I honestly believe God meant for it to.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know i suddenly seem lie a radical liberal, but I hate to be put in any sort of box.I don't subscribe to changing the Torah, but I do believe in questioning it, and ensuring that everything we have stuck to for 2000+ years is what we were meant to stick to, and not just small practices that became strict rules that became rigid laws and unchanging mindsets. There are many things that can change. Stay tuned for "Change, part ii".&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-8397273355558856092?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/8397273355558856092/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/07/change-part-1.html#comment-form' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/8397273355558856092'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/8397273355558856092'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/07/change-part-1.html' title='Change, part 1'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-471740210191702295</id><published>2010-06-27T20:46:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-06-28T13:19:16.236-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='coming out'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sexuality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>It's Yours</title><content type='html'>Recently I've been talking to a lot of people new to the Orthodox gay scene, whether in the closet or out, they are first beginning to understand who they themselves are. To you, and all my friends-gay and straight, I have some advice:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Your sexuality is yours. You have the right to do with it what you feel is best for you.  If a straight person wants to get married, great, if he wants to stay single, that's fine too, even though Orthodoxy may encourage you to get married as son as possible.  For a gay person- if you need to be in the closet, do that. If you need to be out of the closet do that.  if you want to marry a member of the opposite gender- I do not really support that, but just make sure you take into account other people's feelings and emotions when doing it. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sexuality is fluid.  For many people it is ever changing, from curiosity to bisexuality to homosexuality and back again. And there's nothing wrong with that. The important thing is that you stay in touch to who you are- and you focus on what you really want from your life.  Understand where you fall on the "spectrum" and how that plays in to your life.  You sexuality is yours, to know, to understand and to do with it what you feel best. When someone is in the closet, many people try to encourage them to come out and many people try to force you to stay in there, especially in the Orthodox world. So again, try to know what is best for you, and don't let anyone else force you to do anything one way or another.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-471740210191702295?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/471740210191702295/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/06/its-yours.html#comment-form' title='27 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/471740210191702295'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/471740210191702295'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/06/its-yours.html' title='It&apos;s Yours'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>27</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-1637393766466786413</id><published>2010-06-17T15:15:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-06-17T15:45:30.174-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='happiness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='love'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>The Struggle, pt II</title><content type='html'>What does it mean to be happy? How does one achieve a feeling of  everlasting happiness? This post isn't about happiness, per se, but about the struggle of my life, and why I'm scared I might never be completely happy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm not trying to say I'm a sad or depressed person or that I will never be happy. I am just saying that a feeling of sustained and permanent happiness feels like it will be very hard to come by.  Because I want the Chupah. I want the wedding and the sheva brachos, and I even wish I could be standing up there with a woman whom I love. I wish I could hold her in my arms and spend the rest of my life with her. But I can't have any of that. I am gay, and I don't love women  to fill my heart or her heart enough to spending the rest of my life with a woman. And while, yes, I am confident in who I am, and happy with where my life is, there are things, such as an Orthodox wedding, that are out of my grasp. I do stare at a wife and husband and wish I could be them.  Why has God given me this challenge? I don't know.  Do I wish I could make it go away? Of course. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hope, and pray, and somewhere deep inside me, I know, that I will find true love one day. I will find the person who completes me, whom I feel proud to be with and proud of, and he will feel the same about me.  I will be by his side for the rest of our lives.  But there will always be a part of me, and I know this sounds a bit self-defeating, that wishes it could be different. That wants to live the life that I was raised to believe was normal and right. But I know that life isn't for me as badly as I may want it. &lt;br /&gt;All I know how to do for now is be as happy as I possibly can, for as long as I can, and share whatever happiness I do have to the entire world. Because moments of sadness like this one only make me stronger and more willing to focus on the good, and the complete happiness I wish for me, and for everyone around me.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-1637393766466786413?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/1637393766466786413/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/06/struggle-pt-ii.html#comment-form' title='16 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/1637393766466786413'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/1637393766466786413'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/06/struggle-pt-ii.html' title='The Struggle, pt II'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>16</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-9216144524414538827</id><published>2010-06-13T11:06:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-06-13T11:30:24.670-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='coming out'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tolerance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>Please, Please, Please</title><content type='html'>Something that I have attempted to teach throughout my posts is tolerance. It doesn't matter who you are, what your religious beliefs are, what your sexuality is, or the color of your skin- God put each and every one of us on this earth, and we all deserve to be treated with respect. So I ask you- if a good friend of yours came out to you, what would you do? How would you react? Pretend it's the last person on earth you would expect- your best friend of life who is also the straightest acting person you've ever dealt with- what would you do? Would you treat that person with the same respect you always have?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I ask this question to every person who reads this blog. And even more importantly I ask this to every person who is planning, at any point in the future, to have children. What would you do if your son or daughter told you they were gay? How would you help them through the struggle? How would you attempt to rectify your religious beliefs with the way they are and how would you help them with their religious struggle? Because for the next generation, as sexuality finally becomes more accepted, it is imperative for any couple planning to have children to consider this first. Make sure you're on the same page as your spouse, make sure you would have a clear picture of what would happen.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because, too often, parents and friends are caught off guard when someone they know and love comes out to them. Would you love and respect that person the same way you always did? Please, please, please, think about these things as you face new challenges on a daily basis. And think about the challenges a gay Jew faces and imagine someone you love struggling the same way and what you would do to help them be happy.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-9216144524414538827?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/9216144524414538827/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/06/please-please-please.html#comment-form' title='19 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/9216144524414538827'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/9216144524414538827'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/06/please-please-please.html' title='Please, Please, Please'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>19</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-6819332763374119087</id><published>2010-06-06T11:12:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-06-06T11:34:46.098-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Halacha'/><title type='text'>The Baby and the Bathwater</title><content type='html'>There's an expression that really didn't resonate with me until recently: "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater".  As silly as it sounds, it is far too true. Different components of Judaism all too often spend a lot of time preaching various aspects of Halacha- and often time they pick one to preach to the exclusion of many others. This forces a strong commitment to many of the stringencies in Halacha, to the exclusion of many less stringent, but just as important laws.  More than that, when a Jew finds himself struggling with the stringencies of a commandment, he's all too likely to throw out the entire commandment than to just stop following the stringencies. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As some examples, there are people who think just because they throw out Shomer Negiah, they should begin having sex. THere are a lot of levels between the two, and a lot more problems Halachically with having sex then there is just touching a member of the opposite gender. A less intense example, but equally as important, would be the commandment of Tzitzit- many people feel the need to wear the wool ones, and since those are too heavy- they'd rather wear nothing at all than just get a lighter fabric. And the ultimate example- a person who struggles with his sexuality, and feels he can't reconcile it with his religion may simply just throw out the religion.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Personally, my sexuality and religion don't fit together. But I know that I cannot throw out the baby just because I need to drain the bathwater.  I know that I should start wearing Tzitzit again because the commandment isn't for a wool pair, it's just for a simple four cornered garment. And everyone should make sure that their struggle with a commandment or two or all 613, isn't over a stringency that has been misconstrued to be the entity of the commandment, and perhaps focus on going back to the basics.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-6819332763374119087?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/6819332763374119087/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/06/baby-and-bathwater.html#comment-form' title='20 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6819332763374119087'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6819332763374119087'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/06/baby-and-bathwater.html' title='The Baby and the Bathwater'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>20</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-8814818332471526450</id><published>2010-05-29T23:17:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-05-29T23:52:25.404-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pressure'/><title type='text'>Independence and Conformity</title><content type='html'>When I was in high school I felt that doing anything remotely Jewish meant subscribing to this whole world that I hated so much.  It also meant that I wasn't my own person and everyone would think that I was just another Jew. Throughout college I've been attempting to internalize that there is so much more to a person than their religious beliefs or their community- and there is no way that any two people can be exactly the same.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's an important component to our religion, some may argue the most important component, and that's community.  We have an obligation to be part of the community, to contribute to the Jewish lives we all live, and make it feel that none of us are alone by constantly reenforcing being part of one nation. Unfortunately, the Jewish community creates labels, stereotypes, and establishes who you are based on where you pray, or how you keep the Torah based on where you live. While those labels suck, it's important to focus on the better parts of it- like feeling included as part of a whole.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just by observing commandments, a person doesn't have to worry that they are being "just like everyone else".  Going to the same high school, or colleges, or living in the same communities and following the same laws- doesn't mean that a person is not an individual. It just means that they are part of a whole.  But every person within the whole can still be an individual. They can build their own connection to God and have their own styles, taste in music, and everything. Don't be scared to be part of a community, just because it comes with labels and stereotypes. Seek to be your own person while still feeling part of a greater whole.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-8814818332471526450?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/8814818332471526450/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/05/independence-and-conformity.html#comment-form' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/8814818332471526450'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/8814818332471526450'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/05/independence-and-conformity.html' title='Independence and Conformity'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-603812726623968446</id><published>2010-05-15T21:54:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-05-15T22:23:56.681-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Frum'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Halacha'/><title type='text'>Theories</title><content type='html'>Some theories I have that in no way reflect anyone's opinion but my own. But I do think someone can learn from what I say.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One thing I feel very strongly about is the absolute power of Halacha. It exists, and cannot be changed by any regular authorities today. The greatest of Rabbi's can interpret the law that was given to us.  However, that does not mean that every word spoken by sages, commentaries, and the like over the past 3,000 years is absolute truth.  Our Rabbis and sages have taught, said, and ruled on many different subjects. Most of them have commented on many subjects, but that does not indicate a Halachik ruling. The more Religious public and learned population takes for granted that everything said by our Rabbi's in the past are automatically rulings for generations.  Very often, they were only values for their generations. Our Rabbis today have the right to make rulings based on what is right for our generation. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another thing that I like to focus on for myself is the understanding that until God comes down from the Heavens, or sends a Rabbi like R' Chaim Rappaport (author of the tremendous "Judaism and Homosexuality") to give a solution as to what a frum homosexual should do with their lives, I will just have to do the best I can to live my life.  I will have to live my life the way I feel God wants me to and do the best I can to observe his commandments, while also attempting an emotionally stable existence (via my being out of the closet) to ensure my happiness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Something I feel incredibly strong about is that God wants us all to try our best.  In my humble opinion, Hashem want us all to do the best job we can serving Him. We all have the individual right to create our own relationship with God and no Rabbi, ancient or modern, can tell us how to do that. All God wants is to see us trying, to see us attempting at creating a life within His boundaries, or anything we can do close to that. That's all He wants, and all He can ask for. In my opinion.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-603812726623968446?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/603812726623968446/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/05/theories.html#comment-form' title='9 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/603812726623968446'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/603812726623968446'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/05/theories.html' title='Theories'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>9</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-1792888980480118996</id><published>2010-05-11T21:22:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-05-11T21:49:12.787-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='personal'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='FOMO'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='family'/><title type='text'>Non-Sequitur</title><content type='html'>I'm feeling stressed. Obviously, it's finals right? No. I'm a senior, thank God finals are pretty okay this year.  But socially, I feel like I have a million people that I want to be with in a million different places at a million different times.  And while, ideally, I would like to satisfy all of them, I just try do what makes me the happiest, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. While it may not be fair of me to flip-flop from group A to family back to group A and then to group B, maybe it's not fair for me to obligate myself  to be in so many places at one time? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm not saying this to sounds haughty, even though I know it does. I say this because it hurts me on the inside, makes me very upset and almost irreconcilable sometimes when I know I'm letting friends down.  So when I make plans to do three things one night, and satisfy four different parties, and I end up doing only one or two of those things, it makes me very uncomfortable in my own skin, I just want to go back in time and fix everything that went wrong.  And sometimes I just need to stick with one group at a time and focus on the people that currently fit the best into my life right now.  And while that may be selfish, I know how much I do try to be involved in every group- even though it doesn't always work out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sometimes there are things I really want to do, but don't have time for or can't do them, and it upsets me. The problem is I end up upsetting myself by not hanging out with you because I really do want to hang out with you.  It's just not so easy sometimes. And I hate how sad it makes me when I can't plan for 28 hours in the day, as well as to have a car, and be able to be where I want to be exactly when I want to be there. In fact, it sucks. I just have to try and get through it and make sure to stay happy? Sometimes I just need to challenge myself, and help myself grow, and writing this out should totally help. So thanks for listening.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-1792888980480118996?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/1792888980480118996/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/05/non-sequitur.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/1792888980480118996'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/1792888980480118996'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/05/non-sequitur.html' title='Non-Sequitur'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-3656718445981119057</id><published>2010-05-08T22:31:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-05-08T22:49:34.887-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='coming out'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Frum'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='personal'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='family'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>Family Outing</title><content type='html'>Hey, so three topics to come within the next few days, but I'll start by answering a commenter who often asks what my family thinks about everything.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My extended family and cousins have only recently heard of my coming out, and I thank them for all their support and love and hope that people will learn from having me in their family.  My parents generation doesn't know as much, many don't know anything about my sexuality, but seeing as their more distant from my life, I don't feel pressured to tell them as much. Although some I see kinda often and it's frustrating to be asked when I'm dating and when I'm getting married.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The hardest people to tell were the people I was closest to- so the last people that knew were my roommate, followed by my siblings.  I was so scared that who I was would change in their eyes, so scared of being judged or not trusted or scolded, or worst of all, cut out, from their lives that I didn't want to tell them. My roommate had heard from other sources, since he travels in my social circles but I still pushed off telling him, and he was really was as amazing as anyone could hope for, he had already had time to process, but he didn't ask questions, didn't freak out, just took it in and accepted it, and to this day is still my roommate and best friend. Thanks.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My siblings were another story.  One of my (3) sisters has been my rock in this area since high school and I don't know where I would be without her, so thanks. But the others, since they weren't in my social world too much and more conservative based of of how we were all raised, I pushed it off for as long as possible.  With some of them it needed to be confronted head on, and with some it just had to be mentioned in passing.  And while I wish it was easier to discuss it openly with them like I do with my friends, I love that I can still be a part of their lives as much as I always have been, and they are my four (or more, including spouses) best friends in the world and I literally pray that our relationship only grows and continues in the future, and doesn't stop if I do something they may not approve of.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My parents were the first people I told. I wasn't going to come out socially, and hope it didn't get back to them when they live ten minutes away from YU- and they're my parents. It was difficult, but they knew I had been struggling with this since high school, I just don't think they realized I would ever come out. But I did, and it was discussed once or twice over the course of 18 months and that was really hard. I felt like I hadn't come out at all.  But recently, since the YU Panel, the channels have been a bit more open as they are more willing to understand that I struggle with something that conflicts with my desire to be Frum, and I think they realized how deep that struggle can go.  I have to thank the awful response of R' Twersky to the event for my father being so angry with him for being unwilling to allow me to be in the Orthodox world. So while I'm not bringing anyone home anytime soon, I know that I will always have their love, and mostly their support.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-3656718445981119057?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/3656718445981119057/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/05/family-outing.html#comment-form' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/3656718445981119057'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/3656718445981119057'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/05/family-outing.html' title='Family Outing'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-1158820901778154576</id><published>2010-04-28T14:01:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-04-28T16:41:53.608-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='change'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='future'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>We are the world</title><content type='html'>Hey, I wanted to briefly focus on another topic that has come up almost daily in the past 2 weeks of my life. I think there is a theme within the Orthodox communities of ethnocentrism. The Idea that "us" Orthodox Jews know better, act better, and are better, than the rest of the world as a whole, and even the rest of the Jewish world.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's time for that theory to be eradicated. Wherever that attitude came from within our communities it just needs to go. Orthodoxy has the same, if not more, problems than the rest of the world. We have no more figured out than a non-Orthodox Jew and are no better people than your average "Goy".  We are all equals in this world, and until we realize that we can never have an influence on anyone else.  No one wants to be looked down upon, no one wants to hear from the Orthodox Jews, when all we do is talk down to others and teach them why our way is the right way and their ways are wrong.  We need to grow out of that frame of mind, or no one will want to listen to us.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am just as guilty as anyone else, of growing up in the Orthodox world and believing that we were above it all. It's what being sheltered and staying in our own communities will do to us. However, I am only now beginning to learn that my attitude has been all wrong, and I hope I can grow to understand that I am no better than anyone else because of my community.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I say the following with caution and not any sense of authority on the matter, and no offense meant to anyone- it's just something that came to mind, and I could be wrong: Orthodox Jews spent a lot of time in Europe sheltering themselves and trying to be above everyone else, and unfortunately that seemed to have a negative outcome.  The only way to be part of the world is to understand that we are all the same.  We are just as good or bad, strong or weak, tall or short, as everyone around us.  Until that happens, no one will take us seriously and we will lose the opportunity to influence the world in any way, if we are simply ignored because of arrogance.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-1158820901778154576?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/1158820901778154576/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/04/we-are-world.html#comment-form' title='23 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/1158820901778154576'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/1158820901778154576'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/04/we-are-world.html' title='We are the world'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>23</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-5499865342135846967</id><published>2010-04-26T17:15:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-04-26T17:21:12.289-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Frum'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='torah'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Halacha'/><title type='text'>In my head</title><content type='html'>It will always be there, it will always be in the back of my mind. As happy, as confident, as controlled as I try to be, it will always be there. The dissonance of being Orthodox and Gay.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I bring this up now in light of last week's Torah portions, the two verses that contain the prohibition towards the physical actions of anal sex and homosexuality, as they bring up mixed emotions when I hear it read in shul.  Part of me wants to run away, part of me wants to stand there in pride that I can be Orthodox and hear these verses read, but then I wonder what kind of pride is it to know that the way I want to live my life violates Halacha? They are two mixed emotions. And yes, there are ways to interpret the verses to make someone feel not as guilty, but I'm not about reinterpreting things. I try to be as honest with myself and my religion and my sexuality. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On that note, I do plan on staying away from anal sex for the duration of my lifetime, with God's help, which is something I avoided posting on here for a while, because I felt it too personal. But after standing in Shul, I knew I needed to discuss things further.  So I take comfort in hopefully not violating the Issur Deoraysa (Torah prohibition), but still feel the angst in my mind of a life that will never be perfectly okay according to Halacha.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-5499865342135846967?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/5499865342135846967/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/04/in-my-head.html#comment-form' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5499865342135846967'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5499865342135846967'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/04/in-my-head.html' title='In my head'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-2874672558765401187</id><published>2010-04-14T17:41:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-04-14T17:49:02.561-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='personal'/><title type='text'>Martyrdom</title><content type='html'>Another thing that's been on my mind- &lt;br /&gt;When is a person too good? Too sweet? Giving up what they want for others? It's a fine line between being selfish and selfless, but being selfless isn't necessarily the best way to go.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you give up what you truely want for the sake of others, where will that get YOUR life?  Also, if you constantly remind everyone of what an amazing person you are, and how selfless you are and how much you do for the world around you, doesn't that defeat the purpose of being a good person? it seems to undermine it all. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm all for someone doing everything they can to help the world around them, but on notes similar to things I've said in the past, how much is too much?  What you do can impact the world and help those around you, but make sure it doesn't come at your own cost.  I have always struggled with people calling me selfish, especially after coming out, but I know that there are certain things that a person must do for themselves.  If you see someone helping someone else at their own sake, try to point this out to them- because the world will not become a better place if one person succeeds while the other one fails. Make sure you have a clear perception of who you are and where you're going before you help everybody else. Be a little selfish sometimes.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-2874672558765401187?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/2874672558765401187/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/04/martyrdom.html#comment-form' title='16 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2874672558765401187'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2874672558765401187'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/04/martyrdom.html' title='Martyrdom'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>16</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-4376118018104680332</id><published>2010-04-10T21:23:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-04-11T15:04:59.637-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='maturity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='future'/><title type='text'>Maturity</title><content type='html'>So there are a lot of topics on my mind right now, I've had some time to think over Pesach, and I'll do a blog prob every few days this week. One thing on my mind, especially as I spend a lot of time around family- the most judgmental element in anyone's life- is the broad topic of maturity.  What is maturity? What defines someone as mature or immature- is it all based on societal values or is it personal opinion?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A few examples- going our with friends to bars, and getting drunk- mature or immature? Sleeping in on various mornings, even Shabbat- mature or immature? Thinking outside the box, going against the norm- mature or rebellious and immature?  These questions plague me daily, as I do worry about society's perception of me (another issue itself, but not for now), and how I look in other people's eyes. My conclusions are obviously not in any way final or even correct, they've just been the way I've made sense of this topic in my head:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I was younger, a teen, everyone told me how mature I was for my age.  Now, as an adult, I don't get that comment- ever- and have even been called immature by some, even though my thinking is as forward and developed as it has ever been. Because I think at a certain point, like as one begins college- everyone is considered mature.  Everyone has reached a level of expected behavior and that behavior is mature.  The only ones we now judge are those who don't live up to it and call them immature. I rarely can recall a person in high school who was "immature", someone was just more mature than the rest- and now people are just more immature than the rest.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Regardless of the questions I asked above, I think it's important, as I try to do, to judge your own personal behavior based on what you believe is right for you to be doing. If you need to have fun, have fun, if you're tired, sleep. But if your intentions are to "never grow up" or to overly indulge in activities without attempting to think about your life and the greater scheme of things, that's immature.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-4376118018104680332?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/4376118018104680332/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/04/maturity.html#comment-form' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4376118018104680332'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4376118018104680332'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/04/maturity.html' title='Maturity'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-5530298970903862756</id><published>2010-03-28T01:51:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-28T09:26:28.339-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='coming out'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='YU'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='future'/><title type='text'>Opportunities</title><content type='html'>After coming out a lot of things changed for me. But i'm not even speaking personally, but professionally.  I knew I was closing off my life from opportunities within the Yeshiva day schools or summer camps or NCSY, and it hurt, but I hoped somehow it would all be worth it.  I came to YU b/c the opportunities of places to go from there within the Jewish Community- even out of the closet- were much greater than anywhere else.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While at YU I took a few small leadership opportunities and did a few things to keep myself content.  But i knew it wasn't enough. I was just so scared that if I took more opportunities I would be rejected because of who I was.  Or I wouldn't be comfortable on certain programs or people wouldn't be comfortable with me- rooming with them, hanging out with them, because while yes, the Orthodox world may need to open up a little more, it scared me to be the one to do it- and I didn't need to force them.  If people wanted to open up, I was here, but if they didn't I didn't want to make trouble. But it really came at a high price as I missed out on some amazing experiences. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So recently, I took one of those experiences and applied to work within YU next year.  I'm done sitting on the sidelines, and I just want to work within the Jewish community- and maybe even within the Modern Orthodox community, if they'll have me. I'm tired of running away from opportunities, and I'm tired of letting my fear of what trouble others may perceive me of causing, even though I never did anything of the sort, get in the way of where I want to go. So good luck to me on getting the job, if not, onto more endeavors.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-5530298970903862756?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/5530298970903862756/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/03/opportunities.html#comment-form' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5530298970903862756'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5530298970903862756'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/03/opportunities.html' title='Opportunities'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-6826551746376082341</id><published>2010-03-23T14:07:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-23T14:23:03.058-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><title type='text'>Reversal</title><content type='html'>I think I need to (sort of) reverse perspective from the last post. People who don't open up. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I've lost you as a friend simply because I'm gay- I'm sad you don't understand my struggle nor are you willing to try to.&lt;br /&gt;If I've lost you because I'm too flamboyant- take a look at your straight friends and tell me you're happy with every one of their personality traits and the way they act every day- and you're proud of everything they do.&lt;br /&gt;If I've lost you because I have given in to various sins- one, show me proof, and two, prove to me that you are perfect.&lt;br /&gt;If I've lost you because hanging out with me has given you a bad reputation, I ask- what is more important to you? The reputation you have with various close-minded individuals, or a friendship that you may actually get something out of?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm not perfect. But in the areas mentioned above, I feel that I have done nothing wrong. These are four things I'm not willing to apologize for. Am I open to change? Yes. Am I open to people challenging who I am and what I believe in? Yes. But am I open to simple criticism just for being who I am or for trying to be myself? No.&lt;br /&gt;It's a great struggle, no matter what age a person is, to "find themselves".  To understand or discover who they are. So it's taken me over 22 years to figure it out, but as I get closer to it- and this includes many more things than just my sexuality- I am less open to hatred and criticism when all I want to do is live.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And If I've lost you because I've done something wrong, something to hurt you, something that personally offended you, for that I apologize- and I hope you can let me know and we can work things out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And those that are still here with me- I love you, and having you in my life. Thanks.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-6826551746376082341?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/6826551746376082341/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/03/reversal.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6826551746376082341'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6826551746376082341'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/03/reversal.html' title='Reversal'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-4632733217580414283</id><published>2010-03-19T01:54:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-21T12:38:47.639-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><title type='text'>Open Up</title><content type='html'>So life has been pretty stressful the past few weeks, I am stage managing the YU play this coming week and also ran a Shabbaton while attending a best friend's wedding and another best friend's l'chaim. Mazal tov guys. Anyway, I wanted to say a few things that may seem pretty random, but I think this is the essence of my interactions with the world around me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let me explain. While I may have my opinions of your dress, behavior, actions, and approve or disapprove in my head, none of those things are important to me.  Anyone who knows me in person knows that I have many friends- but also that these friends are TOTALLY random and come from all different walks of life, and currently live all different types of lifestyles. I don't care how you live or dress or act- those are all your personal choices, only if you ask for my opinion maybe I will give it. But in general, I accept you for who you are- and unless you really are not a good person, or do something to prove to me that you have little regard for others, would I rather not have you in my life.  But seriously, almost everyone in the world is a good person if you just give yourself the opportunity to get to know them, and there is little to not do that, you will find that people are generally good. So give everyone a chance, it's usually worth it. &lt;br /&gt;There's no reason to shut people out just because they may be different than you or have different values. If you're secure enough with who you are and how you act, then just because someone is different, doesn't mean they have to influence you or change your morals or values, so don't be scared.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Sorry if this sounds condescending- I just am really happy with every single person that is in my life, and I wish others would also give everyone equal opportunity- or you might miss out on some great relationships!)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-4632733217580414283?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/4632733217580414283/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/03/open-up.html#comment-form' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4632733217580414283'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4632733217580414283'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/03/open-up.html' title='Open Up'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-7430142893474567575</id><published>2010-03-06T20:02:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-03-07T17:37:29.452-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='personal'/><title type='text'>When things surprise you</title><content type='html'>A few weeks ago, I was going to publish a post about how Hashem works in mysterious ways. Instead, I decided to wait, b.c what I was saying didn't have a lot of substance. Now I think it does:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have been through a lot of confusion in my lifetime and fighting, we all have; and I'm going to be honest- with my coming out there came a few drawbacks- those in the closet and struggling were less likely to open up to me, those out of the closet couldn't understand why I wanted to be frum, and the worst part- there were many individuals who saw me as their play-thing, their opportunity to 'experiment', those who were closeted to try and get some easy action, those who just wanted action and didn't care if it came from a guy or a girl.  Now, while I wasn't always the most 'wholesome' individual, I did want to fight these desires and people throwing themselves at me. Recently, it has been worse than ever. But recently it's also been the easiest to fight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A few weeks ago Hashem sent me a gift. Someone I did not see coming, who has impacted my life more than I ever thought possible, and regardless of what happens with us, he has given me more peace with the past, more strength in the present, and more hope for the future than I ever thought possible.  And yes I think it's Hashem's hand, helping me through the desires and helping me fight the struggles while finding the happiness I thought I would never get and honestly, didn't believe I deserved.  But for right now, I think I finally believe that I deserve it. And I'm pretty sure I give the same back to him.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-7430142893474567575?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/7430142893474567575/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/03/when-things-surprise-you.html#comment-form' title='9 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/7430142893474567575'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/7430142893474567575'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/03/when-things-surprise-you.html' title='When things surprise you'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>9</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-2467849399730315953</id><published>2010-03-02T09:12:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-03-02T12:54:16.683-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>Who's giving up on who</title><content type='html'>So here is a response to some comments from the last post, claiming that once I've "given up" by violating such a "heinous crime", the community has the right to turn their backs on a sinner.&lt;br /&gt;I ask- Who has given up on whom?&lt;br /&gt;Personally, I have not given up on either. Giving up would be turning my back on the community, because that is the easier route for and orthodox Jew in handling sexuality, to give up, to go live their lives however they please and forget about what the Torah says.  Giving up could also be giving up on sexuality, and spending my life alone, in pain and suffering, not wanting to hurt a woman who I would never truly love, but not wanting to violate such a severe prohibition in the Torah, so I would be alone. I have chosen neither of those. I have given up on nothing. I have embraced both aspects of my life the best I can. &lt;br /&gt;If you tell me the community has the right to give up on me for violating a commandment by commiting such a heinous crime- I beg of you- close your doors to every Jew! because every Jew has their skeletons in their closet, and every Jew is in violation of something, somewhere. And I know, I make my sin public knowledge- but I ask, do I actually? Do I run around telling everyone if I am or am not sexually active? If I have or have not committed any avierah? No. I simply state that I am a gay Orthodox Jew. I have an attraction to men. In stating that, I am being honest with myself and the world- and if that is a sin, then excommunicate the heterosexuals too, in particular the unmarried ones who are 'announcing' that they are straight and have desires that they may or may not act upon.&lt;br /&gt;So who has given up on whom? &lt;br /&gt;Because if the community shuns individuals such as myself, and all sinners, there will be no one left in Orthodoxy.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-2467849399730315953?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/2467849399730315953/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/03/whos-giving-up-on-who.html#comment-form' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2467849399730315953'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2467849399730315953'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/03/whos-giving-up-on-who.html' title='Who&apos;s giving up on who'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-561680952381985135</id><published>2010-02-22T17:06:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-02-22T17:16:31.808-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='psychology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Halacha'/><title type='text'>Psych</title><content type='html'>As a psych student, I often attempt to merge the schools of thoughts found in the Torah I try to study, and the psychology classes I have taken.  How much of Torah takes into account the thoughts and feelings of true human nature?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of my favorite things of Judaism is the mourning process. The Torah allows for the most natural and safest way for a person to heal after the death of a loved one- allowing a day without Mitzvot until the body is buried, a week of purging- for all emotions and feelings to be expressed. Then a month of remembrance and a 30-day gathering to really heal and remember the good. Finally a year long expression of love and prayer through Kaddish.  SO as to never forget the pain that uou have experienced and how to express to Hashem your love for Him and have Him take care of the soul of the departed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, I do recognize that often time Halacha seems so out of touch with reality.  Like the feelings of pain and anguish I feel over the prospect of spending a life alone as the Rabbi's would want, although that's not my plan.  And when human beings try to do the best they can to cope and enjoy life in the world, while sometimes Torah seems to only want us to focus on the world to come and do everything here to make our reward greater there.  How does the Torah address social conformity, peer pressure, and the 'struggles' of the 21st century of guarding your eyes and guarding your tongue when there seems to be evil all around us- that's up to us to do our best, but it would have been nice to have more of a guidance, like in the laws of mourning. Torah can be practical, Torah can be out there, we have to figure out a way to make it all work in our lives.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-561680952381985135?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/561680952381985135/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/02/psych.html#comment-form' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/561680952381985135'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/561680952381985135'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/02/psych.html' title='Psych'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-5253303063939115192</id><published>2010-02-20T21:57:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-02-20T22:58:08.804-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='movie'/><title type='text'>Eyes Wide Open</title><content type='html'>So last week I saw this movie playing in the Village- an Israeli film entitled "Eyes Wide Open". Shout out to you, who I saw it with.  The premise of the movie is a secret gay relationship taking place between two Hassidic Jews in Meah Shearim, Jerusalem.  One is married, one a single young struggle Yeshiva Bochur being moved from Yeshiva to Yeshiva b/c he is a sinner.&lt;br /&gt;The dotted section is a spoiler, so if you plan on seeing the movie, do not read the dotted line section.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;----------------&lt;br /&gt;From a religious perspective it was frightening. The community gets wind that the owner of a butcher shop is harboring a student who was kicked out of his Yeshiva for "a sin". There are "rumors", they say, though the community never mentions the word or sin itself. They also put signs up announcing their is a sinner in their midst. They are 'fearful' for their community and their children, letting such a sin inside.  The butcher shop owner, with a wife and children, falls into a relationship with the Bochur, and after they threaten to take away his family and livelihood, he is forced to have Ezri leave.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From a homosexual perspective, the relationship is real, loving, and wrought with the pain and guilt that each party feels, knowing their love is a sin. My favorite part of the movie was when the married man, confronted, by his Rav, claims that before his relationship with Exri, he "had never felt alive, now he finally feels alive".  It made it all very real, that there was more to them than simply sexuality or a physical "ta'avah", it was true love.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The ending was the married man entering a purification spring, where he once went with Ezri, dunking three times, then a fourth, and never coming up for a period of about fifteen to thirty seconds and then credits rolled. In my opinion it felt as if it didn't matter whether he came up alive, whether he was killing himself or not, b/c without Ezri, back in this loveless and life void of happiness, it didn't matter, his life might as well have been over.&lt;br /&gt;----------------&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As opposed to the ultra-Orthodox that the movie portrays, my recent experiences have taught me to thank Hashem that I am  Modern Orthodox.  I fear, that for me to have grown up more ultra-orthodox, rather than modern, I would not be able to stay frum.  It is simply too hard, in a black and white world, to have feelings that are gray and let them in.  You either go one way or the other.   Being Modern has allowed me to accept the gray areas, explore the gray, and embrace everything- even if it doesn't fit into the strict black and white categories religion often imposes upon us.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-5253303063939115192?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/5253303063939115192/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/02/eyes-wide-open.html#comment-form' title='14 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5253303063939115192'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5253303063939115192'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/02/eyes-wide-open.html' title='Eyes Wide Open'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>14</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-2923405822760178751</id><published>2010-02-16T00:07:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-02-16T00:15:30.687-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='change'/><title type='text'>Don't judge your friends...</title><content type='html'>... Until you reach the same point as them.&lt;br /&gt;One of my favorite and all time important lessons for life. Applicable to everyone- but I have to relate it back to my own stories.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Recently, in the argument for change (from gay to straight), I've just needed to say it- loud and proud- Don't tell me what I should do until you've experienced it. Until you've experienced the pain and the suffering and struggle and the depression- don't send me a JONAH pamphlet or tell me to buy Arthur Goldberg's book. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At the YU Seforim Sale where I cashiered, someone picked up Arthur's JONAH book and began to announce what an important book it was and how everyone should read it. Now, I can only assume that this person was not a Jonah member or success story, because those are few and far between. And even if someone does advocate change, I promise reading a book will not 'fix' anything. I promise you the road is much longer and harder than that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So again, I say, anyone out there who is not gay- never has been, never will be- anyone out there who is upset by the panel or the existence of homosexuality in the Orthodox community, you have no right. You have no right to judge or to tell us what what should do. Until you've experienced it yourself, which, trust me, is the last thing I wish for anyone on this Earth.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-2923405822760178751?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/2923405822760178751/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/02/dont-judge-your-friends.html#comment-form' title='13 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2923405822760178751'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2923405822760178751'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/02/dont-judge-your-friends.html' title='Don&apos;t judge your friends...'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>13</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-7334913205542066549</id><published>2010-02-06T18:36:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-02-06T18:55:22.923-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='personal'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pressure'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><title type='text'>Influences</title><content type='html'>I promise this is not about any of my friends that are reading this blog. It's very personal, and involves ppl you don't know.&lt;br /&gt;After finally coming out and becoming more confident with that aspect of my life, I finally found inner peace that i hadn't had since puberty.  With that, I took the time to work on myself- find my strengths, find my weaknesses, and find all the things that made me who I am.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It doesn't matter how old you are, peer pressure will always exist.  That's what makes the world go round and what's creates societies and builds cultures.  Everyone influences each other.  Its really important to constantly be aware of who you surround yourself with and the people you let into your life on a daily basis. Because as strong and as confident a person you are, others will always have an influence on what you do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Recently I've been struggling with a fundamental of my religion because many of my friends were also, until I realized that just b/c they were struggling, that didn't make them better or stronger or more important ppl b/c of their difficulties.  B/c I certainly have my own struggles and if there are few things about my life and who I am that I am confident in, there is no reason to give that up- it doesn't make me look better or worse in my friends eyes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am just me, and that's all I want to be, and that's all any of us should be- ourselves.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-7334913205542066549?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/7334913205542066549/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/02/influences.html#comment-form' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/7334913205542066549'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/7334913205542066549'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/02/influences.html' title='Influences'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-4764766080583906301</id><published>2010-02-03T03:12:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-02-03T03:26:59.473-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='YU'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><title type='text'>A Novelty Item</title><content type='html'>I try not to complain about the mundane things, especially anything about my friends b/c I love them so much, and am so honored to have them in my life.  But some friends (usually guys), be it individuals or groups as a whole, tend to focus on one part of me- my sexuality.  I know it's not purposely, I know I am some what of a novelty item within the Orthodox Community and people have questions and that's fine and I'm here to answer them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But honestly, sometimes it's hard to talk about it all the time, every day, every conversation.  Especially when there's so much more to me, and especially when it's such a struggling issue, it's painful to talk about all the time. Sometimes it's my own fault for bringing it up in conversation, but usually my friends just want to know about different things- sometimes it's gay sex, sometimes gaydar, sometimes the struggles of religion, sometimes it's rating their attractiveness.  It's hard for me to be this "topic of conversation", this person there to answer their questions- when I know that if I wasn't in their lives, they would never ask anyone else and it wouldn't be a big deal.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's a little bit frustrating.  Do they go around asking their straight girl friends who are girls which one of them is best looking? Rarely.  It's not a comfortable position for them  to put me in- even though they obviously don't do it purposely.  And I don't stop them- sometimes it's nice to be the center of attention.  But sometimes it's just awkward and I don't like being a novelty item. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I love all my friends and appreciate each and every relationship I have. Just wanted to vent a bit.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-4764766080583906301?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/4764766080583906301/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/02/novelty-item.html#comment-form' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4764766080583906301'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4764766080583906301'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/02/novelty-item.html' title='A Novelty Item'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-4537922391988227211</id><published>2010-01-28T17:15:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-11-01T09:36:51.774-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rabbi'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tolerance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sex'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='torah'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>The Struggle</title><content type='html'>[Reposted from FB for those that read it there]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I love my life. I'll tell you what bothers me. When others try and tell me how to live, how to act and how to behave. The Torah and Rabbis I have a relatonship with, maybe, but until you live my life, do not tell me what I can and cannot do. Or that who I am is simply society leaking into our "perfect" Jewish culture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Are those who are "judging" me celibate individuals? No, they are married- or will be married- and they have sex. Are they gay? Maybe, but probably not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So until they are in my shoes, don't tell me my &lt;i&gt;Nisayon&lt;/i&gt;, my test, is just like everyone else's; that I can overcome it with enough effort. It might be true, but only in very specific situations, and until you are in my specific situation, don't tell me what challenges I can or cannot overcome.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our society is not a "pure Torah society", so don't yell at me for turning it impure. It's not my fault that I have a struggle and regardless of that struggle, I simply want for the Orthodox community to accept me. The more you denounce my challenge and tell me my struggle is not okay, the more you push me away from Orthodoxy. If that is the goal, congratulations, you are succeeding. If it is not, then stop. Just stop. Just let me try and make a life for myself and stay frum.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-4537922391988227211?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/4537922391988227211/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/01/struggle.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4537922391988227211'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4537922391988227211'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/01/struggle.html' title='The Struggle'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-968145706652855765</id><published>2010-01-21T01:41:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-01-21T02:01:04.881-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='future'/><title type='text'>Move along.</title><content type='html'>When I was in high school I used to imagine "endless nights".  My theory was that the longer I stayed awake, the more I focused on NOT falling asleep, the next day would never come.  The morning would never come and I would never have to worry about the test I had the next day or the pain that was my life and my sexuality. Life could just freeze in this endless night, where time never had to move on. &lt;br /&gt;In a way, I feel, that might be a phase the world is going through.  In particular, when it comes to anyone fearful of change or commitment, it represents their greater fear of moving on, of growing up, of gaining days, months and years on their lives. They're scared if they commit to something in the future, they are committing to that future time and date arriving, and therefore locking themselves into a plan that they cannot alter, and they cannot stop it from arriving.  &lt;br /&gt;Sometimes it might be nice to freeze the world.  Sometimes it would be nice not to have to move on, to face the world to face the future, but no matter how long you fight that sleep from overtaking you, the new day will come.  So instead of fighting, I challenge us all to embrace it.  Embrace every new day, embrace every new step and every moment of our future. "Remember the past, Live the present, Trust the future."&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-968145706652855765?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/968145706652855765/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/01/move-along.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/968145706652855765'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/968145706652855765'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/01/move-along.html' title='Move along.'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-4944087194133342328</id><published>2010-01-14T12:51:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-01-14T13:05:21.059-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='coming out'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='emotions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><title type='text'>Emotions</title><content type='html'>Anyone that knows me, knows this: I wear my heart on my sleeve, and follow my emotions.  My heart tells me where to go, what to do - because suppressing that is no way to live.  Even if my brain contradicts.&lt;br /&gt;Lately there has been a lot of people trying to understand more about homosexuality and religion, why a gay person has to come out, and why I did come out. Here's something I wrote in a very vulnerable state, while contemplating the meaning of sexuality and religion. (ie- after watching "Prayers for Bobby"):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;i didnt come out to announce to the world or to parade my lifestyle or to tell every other jewish struggling kid to come out. i came out for myself.  so i could finally stop hiding. its not fun to always be telling everyone "oh im not ready to date" or "im not looking to get married yet". Eventually they get it, and they all talk and wonder whats wrong with me.&lt;br /&gt;I came out to tell the world there is nothing wrong with me. they can stop wondering and judging, im gay. so im not the same as them but again, that doesn't mean there's something wrong with me. by keeping it in, im admitting that it's something shameful. im admitting its something never to tell anyone about b/c it's not "normal".  well that's not a way to live.  Even by just telling a few friends, that's acting as though its an embarrassment. its not. its just part of me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;the more ppl like me and my friends come out (shout out JQY), the more ppl understand that theres nothing wrong with us. that maybe the actions are shunned by the torah, but that doesnt change the desires we have. and maybe if ppl begin to see and hear that this "way of life" is just like everyone else with a few exceptions, maybe then less kids will be hurt or hurt themselves growing up knowing b/c they will finally know that they are not alone. and that time has come to be okay and for the world to understand we're just like everyone else.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-4944087194133342328?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/4944087194133342328/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/01/emotions.html#comment-form' title='41 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4944087194133342328'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4944087194133342328'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/01/emotions.html' title='Emotions'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>41</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-9164829315383818778</id><published>2010-01-08T00:40:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-01-08T00:56:05.087-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='stereotypes'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>Little Boxes</title><content type='html'>As a society, we create rules and expectations for everyone around us.  Titles, labels, &lt;b&gt; boxes &lt;/b&gt;.  These are the "places" we categorize people who we encounter- coworkers, friends, family ; or label those around us- Frum, not Frum, Yeshivish, Modern, etc...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is what society was created to do (see "Lord of the Flies").  But I ask- as a society, as a Jewish world and nation, how small or large are our boxes?  What categorizes a person in one box and not the other?  The labels that we create and so willingly force other people into- what gives us that right? Now I know no one can CHANGE society- but on the topic of homosexuality, there is one thing I thought of, with help from a friend, as far as boxes go:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt; There are exceptions to every rule. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Whatever box you may place me in, or anyone in your life, we have to be willing and understanding that there are (a) other boxes, and (b) exceptions to every box.  Not everyone will fit perfectly in everyone else's box.  In fact, most of us don't ever fit into a box- we are all individuals, just some are more obvious about their individuality than others. But when labeling and boxing and giving other people expectations, make sure you do not rely too heavily on what box you "expect" or "assume" someone belongs in.  Because chances are, they will break the mold.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-9164829315383818778?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/9164829315383818778/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/01/little-boxes.html#comment-form' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/9164829315383818778'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/9164829315383818778'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/01/little-boxes.html' title='Little Boxes'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-875877867122016375</id><published>2010-01-08T00:35:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-01-08T00:40:17.442-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='article'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='links'/><title type='text'>Let's move on</title><content type='html'>And here I say- there is/always has been a lot more to me than the issue of homosexuality.  Sure there is the most to discuss in terms of that, but it's been a very intense few weeks with that conversation. Let's move on. (At least on this blog... there are still plenty more discussions happening- &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://curiousjew.blogspot.com/2010/01/mordechai-levovitzs-point-15.html"&gt;http://curiousjew.blogspot.com/2010/01/mordechai-levovitzs-point-15.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://notwhileiamaround.blogspot.com/2010/01/wait-whos-one-with-agenda-again.html"&gt;http://notwhileiamaround.blogspot.com/2010/01/wait-whos-one-with-agenda-again.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://toleranceoncampus.blogspot.com/2010/01/appeal-for-intellectual-honesty-my.html"&gt;http://toleranceoncampus.blogspot.com/2010/01/appeal-for-intellectual-honesty-my.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.5tjt.com/news/read.asp?Id=5536"&gt;http://www.5tjt.com/news/read.asp?Id=5536&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;AND THAT'S IT. Moving on with a new post.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-875877867122016375?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/875877867122016375/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/01/lets-move-on.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/875877867122016375'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/875877867122016375'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/01/lets-move-on.html' title='Let&apos;s move on'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-4182398544458750984</id><published>2010-01-04T21:19:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-01-04T21:55:00.989-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='YU'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='article'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>THE PAST MONTH AT YU</title><content type='html'>-Anonymous commentator article&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.yucommentator.com/opinion/the-gay-question-1.855249&lt;br /&gt;http://www.yucommentator.com/opinion/the-gay-question-1.855249&lt;br /&gt;http://www.yucommentator.com/opinion/the-gay-question-1.855249"&gt;http://www.yucommentator.com/opinion/the-gay-question-1.855249&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Panel Event, attended by 800 (full transcript)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://curiousjew.blogspot.com/2009/12/being-gay-in-orthodox-world.html"&gt;http://curiousjew.blogspot.com/2009/12/being-gay-in-orthodox-world.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Response of the Roshei Yeshiva was a short letter plastered all over campus insensitively, signed by 6 rebbeim, the content was just rude, and it was unauthorized to be put up.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The Torah requires that we relate with sensitivity to a discreet individual who feels that he/she has a homosexual orientation, but abstains from any and all homosexual activity. Such sensitivity, however, cannot be allowed to erode the Torah’s unequivocal condemnation of homosexual activity. The Torah’s mitzvos and judgments are eternally true and binding. Homosexual activity constitutes an abomination. As such, publicizing or seeking legitimization even for the homosexual orientation one feels runs contrary to Torah. In any forum or on any occasion when appropriate sympathy for such discreet individuals is being discussed, these basic truths regarding homosexual feelings and activity must be emphatically re-affirmed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Response of Pres Richard Joel and Menahel R' Reiss&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Message from the President and Menahel of REITS&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In light of recent events, we want to reiterate the absolute prohibition of homosexual relationships according to Jewish law. Of course, as was indicated in a message issued by our Roshei Yeshiva, those struggling with this issue require due sensitivity, although such sensitivity cannot be allowed to erode the Torah's unequivocal condemnation of such activity. Sadly, as we have discovered, public gatherings addressing these issues, even when well intentioned, could send the wrong message and obscure the Torah's requirements of Halachik behavior and due modesty. Yeshiva has an obligation to ensure that its activities and events promote the primacy and sacredness of Torah in our lives and communities. We are committed to providing halachik guidance and sensitivity with respect to all challenges confronted by individuals within our broader community, including homosexual inclinations, in a discreet, dignified and appropriate fashion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pres Richard M. Joel&lt;br /&gt;Menahel Rabbi Yonah Reiss&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Roshei Yeshiva (R' Twersky) still feels the need to respond:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.torahweb.org/audioFrameset.html#audio=rtwe_122809"&gt;http://www.torahweb.org/audioFrameset.html#audio=rtwe_122809&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Mordechai Levovitz responds to R' Twersky:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.syaross.org/misc/gaypanel/response.html"&gt;http://www.syaross.org/misc/gaypanel/response.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-An intense debate on Mordechai's response:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://curiousjew.blogspot.com/2010/01/mordechai-levovitzs-point-15.html"&gt;http://curiousjew.blogspot.com/2010/01/mordechai-levovitzs-point-15.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;NOTEWORTHY LINKS:&lt;br /&gt;R' Billet- &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://thejewishstar.wordpress.com/2009/12/29/opinion-compassion-is-also-a-jewish-virtue/"&gt;http://thejewishstar.wordpress.com/2009/12/29/opinion-compassion-is-also-a-jewish-virtue/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;JPost-&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1261364566095&amp;pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull"&gt;http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1261364566095&amp;pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Avi Kopsitck's response-&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://toleranceoncampus.blogspot.com/"&gt;http://toleranceoncampus.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;-This is the Orthodox world. I am trying my hardest to make it work, and appreciate the support and courage of all those involved with me in the fight. So thank you all!&lt;br /&gt;All I want is for teenagers/adults to stop hiding, to stop feeling guilty for who they are, and be happy. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-4182398544458750984?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/4182398544458750984/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/01/anonymous-commentator-article-httpwww.html#comment-form' title='10 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4182398544458750984'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/4182398544458750984'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/01/anonymous-commentator-article-httpwww.html' title='THE PAST MONTH AT YU'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>10</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-6295080951384056509</id><published>2010-01-02T21:01:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2010-01-03T02:49:12.688-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>Tolerance...</title><content type='html'>...Does not equal Legitimization&lt;br /&gt;Awareness does not equal sanction&lt;br /&gt;Acceptance does not equal legalization.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm disappointed in those who don't understand saying that me finally feeling like the community wants me as a part of it, means the community is telling me that what I do is okay.  That is not the case, nor should it ever be the case, but that's what people are saying.  Important people, respected people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And one more thing, being a gay Jew doesn't have to be it's own category.  I don't want to be separate from the rest of the Jewish world.  But if I am rejected from being an orthodox Jew, maybe I'll have to just be a gay Jew.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And shout out to everyone who has helped me through the past few weeks. I love you guys.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-6295080951384056509?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/6295080951384056509/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/01/tolerance.html#comment-form' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6295080951384056509'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/6295080951384056509'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2010/01/tolerance.html' title='Tolerance...'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-5895815987202212848</id><published>2009-12-27T14:30:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-12-27T14:49:06.269-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jewish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Frum'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='YU'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='orthodox'/><title type='text'>Letters/Reactions</title><content type='html'>So. Last week was busy and intense and a bit overwhelming for the Orthodox Gay community. and for me.&lt;br /&gt;-The night of the event and the morning after a letter was being posted signed by five or six Roshei Yeshiva, but very unofficial looking. On Friday Morning, an official letter came out from the President of YU and the Menahel of the Yeshiva- R' Reiss.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Rabbi's reaction/letter did not have the right to go up.  Every sign on campus is approved by administration, and these weren't approved by anyone. Even if signed by the Rabbis, they didn't have the right to make a million copies and hang them up. This letter said homosexuality is wrong (duh) and anyone 'struggling' should be dealt with in the appropriate matter, in a discreet and sensitive manner. It just took away from the event attended by over 600 people with 200 turned away at the door.  Anyone that may have felt a sense of comfort and security from the support shown that night- this letter reiterated to all those gay Yeshiva Program students (the ones that learn till 3)- YES THEY DO EXIST- that their Rabbis will not discuss this publicly and they still need to feel ashamed of their emotions and at discomfort with their own tendencies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The second letter was more sensitive- but elaborated that some 'could' have taken the wrong idea away from the event, that homosexuality is Halachikally okay. And it's not- fine, but I ask Pres Joel and Rabbi Reiss, then why did you allow it in the first place? and further, why was Rabbi Blau- the Mashgiach Ruchani of YU- the MODERATOR. HE was there to ensure there was no discussion of Halacha! And there wasn't. Also it discussed that the issue must be dealt with with sensitivity in the broader community- BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH HERE, IN THE YU COMMUNITY! It made me feel like my own school (administration) didn't want me. And it hurt.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know YU needs to make Halacha clear and worry about donors and alumni, but I think they are doing it in an insensitive manner, and allowing their PR to overshadow the mental health and well being  of many of their students.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-5895815987202212848?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/5895815987202212848/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2009/12/lettersreactions.html#comment-form' title='53 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5895815987202212848'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/5895815987202212848'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2009/12/lettersreactions.html' title='Letters/Reactions'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>53</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-2771793662711219387</id><published>2009-12-20T23:07:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-12-20T23:56:30.858-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='event'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='YU'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='future'/><title type='text'>I'm not speaking</title><content type='html'>This tuesday night 12/22, The Wurzweiler School of Social Work and the YU Tolerance Club are hosting an event called &lt;br /&gt;"Being Gay in the Orthodox World&lt;br /&gt;A Conversation with YU Community Members"&lt;br /&gt;I love this event. I am involved with coordinating various aspects of it, and totally agree that it's time for something like this to happen at YU. However, I am upset that students are still bashing, taking down signs, and plan to protest the event - why? Because YU refuses to publicly take an official stance on the issue of homosexuality.  Rebbeim refuse to say "this is an issue that needs to be understood and discussed".  Instead, they let their students become bigots and hateful Jews.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Putting that aside, I will not be speaking on the panel. I would love to speak on the panel, to share my experiences to put a face to the issue of homosexuality and have everyone know that this isn't something going away or a problem to keep hidden.  However, for personal reasons- for my reputation as a student leader, my future in the Jewish community, and for my relationship with my family- I do not feel it would be appropriate for me to speak.  I'm out of the closet- which has caused enough controversy already and I really do not feel the need to push it in my family's faces any further. I wish I could share my story at an open YU forum, but I guess that's why I have the blog, To do what I can, but take a more subtle approach for everyone to see only if they want to.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-2771793662711219387?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/2771793662711219387/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2009/12/im-not-speaking.html#comment-form' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2771793662711219387'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2771793662711219387'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2009/12/im-not-speaking.html' title='I&apos;m not speaking'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-2074485341376130022</id><published>2009-12-16T00:26:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-12-16T01:25:28.462-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gay'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='future'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Halacha'/><title type='text'>My Options</title><content type='html'>The way I see it- and this is a very simplistic view, very dumbed-down if you will.&lt;br /&gt;I have two options:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1) I can live a life alone.  Try as hard as I can to live a completely Halachik observance.  To live watching my friends and family grow and raise their own families, to eat by them for Shabboss and keep my good friends in my life and be best friends with all their children and be that creepy guy that hangs around b/c he was their parents friend and now he's old and creepy.  But I will be trying as hard as a can to live as best and openly Halachik life as possible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2) I can find someone to be with- obviously the ideal. Start my own life with him. Change with world with him.  But I'm so scared of that. I'm so scared of that side of me.  Of not being Halachik.  Of not being able to help people or change the world if everyone looks at me as this person who lives a life against the Torah.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How do I live alone? &lt;br /&gt;How do I live against the Torah?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-2074485341376130022?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/2074485341376130022/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2009/12/my-options.html#comment-form' title='34 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2074485341376130022'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/2074485341376130022'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2009/12/my-options.html' title='My Options'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>34</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1928387059735958551.post-7893216775142345616</id><published>2009-12-09T10:27:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-12-09T10:33:53.597-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='secrets'/><title type='text'>Addendum to "that guy"</title><content type='html'>The hardest part about being that guy is the fact that there are so many people who know everything about me- and who will come to me anonymously and then I know nothing about them.  Yes I blog, I am an open book, fine, but it's really hard and almost unfair that I speak to so many of you and don't even know who you are. It's pretty hard to build a friendship of any kind without a name or a face. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do not stop talking to me. I love you all and I am here for you. But just so you know, it's extremely difficult when I talk to you, to think you know everything about me- and I don't even know your name. Try and in vision being in my shoes for a minute, that's all I ask. And I do want to be "that guy". I didn't sign up for it, but I'm so thrilled to help. It's just hard for me, as a person (not as a 'resource' or 'therapist' but just as me), to have strangers talking to me without even a name for me to call them.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1928387059735958551-7893216775142345616?l=anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/feeds/7893216775142345616/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2009/12/addendum-to-that-guy.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/7893216775142345616'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1928387059735958551/posts/default/7893216775142345616'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://anotherfrumgayjew.blogspot.com/2009/12/addendum-to-that-guy.html' title='Addendum to &quot;that guy&quot;'/><author><name>FrumGay</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry></feed>
